# How does the orbiting of electrons around nuclei START? [closed]

When electrons orbit a nucleus, their orbiting continues due to conservation of angular momentum, so I've read. But what causes an electron to orbit a nucleus in the first place? To be more precise, what happens exactly when an atom absorbs an electron?

• Electrons do not orbit the nucleus. The electron becomes delocalised and spreads out over a region surrounding the nucleus. Some orbitals, e.g. the $p$ orbitals, have a non-zero angular momentum but this is not due to the electron orbiting the nucleus. The $s$ orbitals have zero angular momentum. Commented Apr 4, 2018 at 14:19
• Why are people voting to close this? It's a really interesting question. The answer is really nontrivial, and is also very interesting, if someone does a good job of writing it up. Commented Apr 4, 2018 at 14:21
• @EmilioPisanty the answer, in short, is "though a variety of different ways, each of which is a time-reverse of a way in which the electron can stop orbiting the nucleus." A good answer doesn't need to go into detail about every possible way this can happen, it just needs to give a good explanation of the underlying principles. In that sense I don't think it's too broad at all. Commented Apr 4, 2018 at 14:24
• @physicopath Absolutely not. The term "orbital" means something well defined and very distinct from what is meant by the word "orbit". The properties of the things described by the two words are completely different. Commented Apr 4, 2018 at 14:31
• An electron at rest is unphysical: it has zero uncertainty in both its position and its momentum, in violation of the HUP (Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle). Similarly, an electron cannot have a classical trajectory with a precise position and precise momentum at each point on the trajectory, hence it can't orbit the nucleus like a planet orbiting a star. Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 16:53

You are describing the Bohr model of the atom, which was able to fit the spectra observed from excited atoms, the lines seen in the hydrogen atom:

In order to explain why the orbits could be stable instead of spiraling down to the nucleus as classical electrodynamics would expect, the model assumes quantization of angular momentum to succeed at a stable atom.

This was a hypothesis that partially fitted the hydrogen atom, and got more impossible for complex nuclei.

Quantum mechanics , as it evolved from the simple solutions of the Schrodinger equation, managed not only to reproduce the partial success in the series solutions for the hydrogen atom, but also to develop into a theory with a much wider scope, which describes all nature at the underlying particle level.

In the quantum mechanical system, there are no orbits, there are solutions of the potential problem which give the probability of finding the electron at an (x,y,z) if one tried to measure its position. These loci are called orbitals. Here are the orbitals calculated for the hydrogen atom:

for the different quantum numbers that characterize the electron occupation of an energy level.

Here is a first experiment that looks at these orbitals:

To be more precise, what happens exactly when an atom absorbs an electron?

Precision needs quantum mechanics.

The electron falls into the potential well of the atom, radiating a photon which carries off angular momentum so that conservation of angular momentum is satisfied, and gets bound in an energy level. If lower energy levels are empty, it will cascade down with more radiation, to the last unfilled energy level.

• Thank you. @anna v. But what is it meant by orbits spiraling down to nucleus? So an electron attains its angular momentum because it radiates a photon that has an angular momentum and in order to have a conservation of angular momentum , the electron then obtains an angular momentum? But why does the photon emitted have an angular momentum, why doesn't it just have a linear momentum? Plus, isn't photon considered to be an interaction, when we say that it has an angular momentum, then we treat it as a particle, and not as an interaction. Excuse me, my information is so limited in this field..
– user65035
Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 9:08
• I did not say "spiral" , that is the classical behavior. I said "falls into the potential", there is no spiraling. Photons are elemenary particles and carry spin so they take away angular momentum. It is an interaction and all the conserved quantities, momentum, angular momentum and energy have to balance, input to output. Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 11:20
• Does the spin of electron is the one causing the electron to have angular momentum ?
– user65035
Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 11:26
• No, spins just have to be taken into account in the conservation of angular momentum budget, and energy , because the energy level splits depending on the spin. Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 11:29
• When we say that an electron absorbs a photon, doesn't that mean that electron is no longer said to be an elementary particle because it can contain other elementary particle (photon)?
– user65035
Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 13:07

At some point in the early history of the universe, protons had to capture free electrons to form neutral hydrogen, but $pe\to H^*$ violates conservation of energy and/or momentum, so it has to be something like $pe\to H^*\gamma$. Any charged bystander (say another nearby proton) could take up the extra momentum, so $ppe\to pH^*$ is also allowed. The asterisk means excited -- not in the ground state. Ordinarily, when an electron is captured, the newborn atom is in a quantum state of high angular momentum, close to the angular momentum predicted by classical mechanics. The excited atom then gives up energy and angular momentum via a sequence of radiative transitions, emitting a photon at each step, until it lands in its ground state.

• Thank you @Bert .Why does the newborn atom become in a quantum state of high angular momentum after absorbing an electron? Is it because the electron already had an angular momentum before being absorbed? If yes , then why?
– user65035
Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 9:45
• Yes. According to the correspondence principle, a wave packet representing a linear combination of quantum states can approximate a classical particle. The average angular momentum will be the same. Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 11:00

The problem I found in this problem is that the questioner is sticking to the old idea that electron is a particle and it got a well defined path (since it orbits around the nucleus). QM prohibits this idea in the first place ( you can't even think of path in the first place). The second point what happens when electron gets absorbed by atom can be thought same as what happens when particle is introduced in a infinite potential well though the case are a bit different in the latter one the question arises how you got the particle inside the well in first place. While in former one the potential reaches up to infinity so no drama over it's existence in first place . Since you are talking about the electron in first place you have to give me it's initial wavefunction and that's the deal to use Schrodinger's equation. Now take the case of hydrogen atom( cause that's what I only know nothing about multi-electron atom) and since we know it's eigenfunction ( radial and spherical harmonic) and they are complete ( they can span whatever you want) so I will decompose initial given wavefunction in terms of this basis and I will be done to tell you about future prediction (only statistically). So we can't just say what happens to electron you really need to tell me it's initial wavefunction. Take a look at Ex. 2.2 Griffiths QM. Further refinement will be given by QFT.

• Using the term "orbiting" must have been a mistake, but my real question is that I need to know why the electron keeps moving in an atom, why doesn't it just come to rest? What causes it to move they way it does in the first place?
– user65035
Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 9:36

But what causes an electron to orbit a nucleus in the first place?

Nothing. At least not in the sense you're asking. Let's explore this with a classical example.

Consider an asteroid moving through empty space. It has some trajectory and some mass, so we can calculate its momentum.

Ok, now let's consider that same asteroid in orbit around Jupiter. Now it also has an angular momentum, it's orbital angular momentum, which is a sort of made-up value from it's trajectory and distance from Jupiter.

Ok, now imagine the case where the asteroid is flying by Jupiter. Maybe it's going fast enough that it just keeps on going, like most comets. But maybe it ends up in just the right place at the right time with just the right speed and it begins orbiting, like the Trojans.

So what "happened" to make it "began orbiting". Nothing! Jupiter's gravity is pulling on it all along, nothing changed.

what happens exactly when an atom absorbs an electron

It doesn't! If there's an electron going on it's merry way that just happens to have the right trajectory (for lack of a better word) then it will start "orbiting". If it doesn't, it will keep going, on some modified trajectory. Nothing "happens" when it enters orbit, it's the exact same physics it experienced when it didn't enter orbit, or when it was far away from the atom and never even noticed it.

There are major differences between the physics of the two cases. For instance, in the case of the asteroid, it's "internal" spin has no effect, but that is not the case for the electron. But from a high level, they're pretty similar.

• This is very good.. But what if an electron at rest(doesn't have a previous trajectory; just found at a distance from an atom) was attracted by an atom, then could it have an angular momentum after being a part of the atom?
– user65035
Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 9:55
• Absolutely, and this is one of the differences that I glossed over. The force between the electron and nucleus is carried out by photons being exchanged, and those photons carry angular momentum. It's very complex, but in the end, yes. Commented Apr 6, 2018 at 12:59

Normally physicists use a limited set of equations to describe the specific situation of an electron orbiting a nucleus, i.e. an electron trapped in a potential well. They might use something simple like the time independent Shrödinger equation for simple systems, or something more realistic like Dirac's equation to examine relativistic effects, which lead to things like antiparticles and magnetism. However all these equations describe the situation of an electron stuck in a potential well, not things like ionization or the motion of free electrons that become captured.

For those situations you really need the full quantum field theory of quantum electrodynamics. This describes the electron and photon field and includes such things as creation and annihilation of particles and particle interactions and motions through extended space. The quantum field theories can include any number of particles existing at the same time and moving every which way, and interacting with virtual particles in the vacuum.

However the simple models are normally used in physics or chemistry on a day to day basis and they have well known solutions for common cases.

Solving QED or the full Lagrangian of the standard model of physics, even for very simple systems is very hard. However these advanced field theory models can show precisely how wave functions for the electrons and other particles interact over time during something like electron capture.

• Orbital angular momentum about any arbitrary point can always be written in terms of linear momentum as $\mathbf{L}=\mathbf{r}\times\mathbf{p}$ where r and p are quantum mechanical operators for position and momentum acting on the particle wavefunction. I don't want to say anything further about this however because I don't want to get dinged again by people who know more than me. :) Commented Apr 7, 2018 at 2:06