# If you are carrying a magnet, can you tell when you cross the event horizon of a black hole?

By the no hair theorem, a black hole is completely characterized by it's mass, charge and angular momentum. Therefore dipole and higher pole magnetic fields are completely expelled when a black hole is formed. (The magnetic field exponentially decays as electromagnetic fields radiate away the energy of the magnetic field.)

Assume you are falling into a supermassive black hole and you are carrying an ordinary bar magnet that has a dipole magnetic field. Wouldn't the no hair theorem imply that as you fall past the horizon, the magnetic field of the magnet you are carrying would be expelled or left behind at the horizon? Obviously, if this is true and if you are measuring the magnetic field of the magnet as you fall in, you will detect a change as the horizon is passed.

Since the black hole is supermassive there would not be any significant tide as you cross the horizon. And if you used a powerful rocket to hover just above the horizon until you turned off the engine and fell through the horizon, you would not be moving at the speed of light as you crossed the horizon, so you should have time to perform experiments.

So will you detect changes in the magnet's field as you cross the horizon? I fully expect the answer to this question is "No", but I am not sure and would like to understand why "no-hair" doesn't apply to this situation. It is still somewhat mysterious to me how magnetic fields are expelled from black holes when they are formed. This reference http://arxiv.org/abs/arXiv:1208.3487 , which is summarized by an answer to this question: When a neutral star with a magnetic field collapses to form a black hole, what happens to the magnetic field? shows how a magnetic field is expelled when the black hole forms.

However, the answer to this question: If a magnetic monopole falls into a schwarzchild black hole, what happens to the magnetic field? implies that if you fell in with a magnetic monopole, nothing would happen since a black hole can support a static magnetic charge. So it is only dipole and other higher pole magnetic fields that are not allowed for a black hole. In fact according to the answer to this question: What happens to an embedded magnetic field when a black hole is formed from rotating charged dust? a rotating charged black hole can have a quite complicated magnetic field associated with it.

ADDITION: Imagine observers with sensitive magnetometers in the last stable orbits around the black hole. They will never see the falling magnet cross the horizon - does that mean they will always measure the dipole field of the magnet? We know that because of the infinite gravitational time dilation at the event horizon, real photons get red shifted to longer and longer radio wavelengths and the rate of real photon emission god to zero, so from a visual (photon) point of view the falling magnet becomes invisible and frozen at the event horizon. But what about the virtual photons of the magnetic field? How are they affected? Surely we cannot see a permanent magnet stuck on the surface of the event horizon - that would give it "hair"! But how and where is the magnetic field radiated away? And why wouldn't the observer on the magnet detect something happening?

• As it happens, a paper has just appeared on the Arxiv that does exactly this calculation for an electric charge/dipole. See arxiv.org/abs/1301.1559 Commented Jan 13, 2013 at 15:57
• @JohnRennie - Thanks for the link. Can you figure out from that paper what the incoming electric dipole would experience as the event horizon is crossed? Add that to you answer and I will gladly award the bonus to your answer... Commented Jan 14, 2013 at 7:40
• all freefalling observers observe spacetime to be (locally) flat so the incoming dipole wouldn't experience anything special. In fact freefalling observers never cross the event horizon (they see it recede before them). Were you asking something more than this? Commented Jan 14, 2013 at 8:31
• @JohnRennie - I know free falling observers are in Minkowski spacetime and see nothing unusual when they cross they "infinity" event horizon. But the observer from infinity sees the electric or magnetic dipole field radiate away when the horizon is approached by the free falling dipole (but not crossed). So how are these two views compatible? They must be, but how? Commented Jan 14, 2013 at 17:03

Remember that as a freefall observer the spacetime around you looks like Minkowski space (assuming tidal effects are small), and you'd see changes in the magnetic field propagating just as they would in any piece of flat spacetime. The Schwarzschild observer watching from infinity would observe something rather different, but then the Schwarzschild observer would never see you pass through the event horizon anyway.

Incidentally, it doesn't matter where you jump from you will always cross the event horizon at the speed of light. Well, we have to qualify that because in GR this sort of statement is meaningless unless you clarify the frame of reference. Supoose you have a shell observer (e.g. a rocket hovering) at some distance $\delta$ outside the event horizon, and the shell observer measures your speed as you flash past. The shell observer measures your speed to be less than the speed of light, but as $\delta$ tends to zero the measured speed will tend to $c$. We have to use a limit because you can't have a shell observer at the event horizon.

Response to comment:

A shell observer at distance $\delta$ from the horizon will never see anything fall through the horizon, just as the Schwarzschild observer will never see anything fall through the horizon. This is because for those observers the time dilation of the falling object becomes infinite at the horizon. Both observers would see the falling object slow and ultimately freeze at the horizon.

This is why you have to be so careful in defining what you mean. A shell observer can measure the speed of a falling object as it passes, and as you put the shell observer nearer and nearer the event horizon this speed will approach $c$. However once the object has passed the shell observer, that observer will see the object slow and ultimately freeze at the horizon.

I must admit I'm not sure what the shell/Schwarzschild observers would see happening to the falling magnet. I suspect they would see the dipole frozen at the surface.

Your point about hair isn't relevant, because only a static black hole has no hair. By static I mean its properties are time independant, and obviously if you have objects falling in to the black hole it isn't time independant. You would need to isolate the black hole and wait an infinite time for all it's hair to fall off.

It's commonly forgotten that a Schwarzschild black hole is an idealised solution that cannot exist in any universe with a finite lifespan, so the restrictions of Schwarzschild black holes don't necessarily apply in the real world.

• Suppose there are two shell observers at delta from the event horizon. One of them has a magnet and he turns off the rocket engine and falls through. Surely the other shell observer will not see him fall through at the speed of light, will they? And for the distant schwarzchild observer, will the presence of the dipole magnetic field always be measurable, or will it be radiated away the way an initial embedded field would be from the progenitor of the black hole. As I said, I am sure the answer to the question is no, but I still don't understand why... Commented Oct 9, 2012 at 14:36
• You say the schwarzchild observer will observe something rather different - WHAT will they observe? See my "ADDITION" to the question. I am still sure you are right, but I do not understand... Commented Oct 9, 2012 at 15:04
• I've edited my answer to respond to your comment Commented Oct 9, 2012 at 15:29
• Thanks John, we are getting closer to having me understand. The problem I am having is that this paper arxiv.org/abs/arXiv:1208.3487 says the original embedded field exponentially decays with a half life on the order of milliseconds so I don't see how a dipole falling in takes infinite time to decay - and yet, as you say, the freezing at the surface takes forever. I am so confused.... Commented Oct 9, 2012 at 16:23
• From a quick glance at the paper I think that is time measured by an infalling observer i.e. someone collapsing along with the star. Commented Oct 9, 2012 at 16:46

Gravitationally time dilated muscles are weak, and gravitationally time dilated magnets are equally weak.

If muscles and magnets were not equally weakened by gravitational time dilation, then a person falling while holding magnets would notice something changing.

Now I choose to calculate how much gravitationally time dilated muscles are weakened:

Let's put a planet in empty space, on the surface of the planet we put a a guy named Bob, Bob's task is to accelerate the planet by pulling on a provided rope. He must extend his arm, grab the rope and bend his arm at maximum force.

Bob's identical twin Jim is sitting at the center of the planet pondering: If I was doing the same task as Bob, it would take more time for me to bend my arm, which would result in lower velocity of the planet. The velocity change would be smaller by time dilation factor, and the time during which the velocity change occurs would be longer, so acceleration of the planet would be smaller by time dilation factor squared ... and observers anywhere would agree about the ratio of the accelerations, so it must be so that my muscles can produce a force: $Bob's force * timedilation factor ^2$