# Classical Mechanics, The Theoretical Minimum: angular momentum conservation for the double pendulum without gravitational field

I'm reading Susskind's and Hrabovsky's Classical Mechanics, The Theoretical Minimum. I am able to solve all exercises, except for one: exercise 7 from Lecture 7, where you are asked to prove that the angular momentum of a double pendulum is conserved if there is no gravitational field.

The masses and rod lengths are all chosen to be 1. The choice of coordinates is different from most textbooks, in that the angle of the second rod is measured with respect to the angle of the first rod, and not with respect to the vertical, see the figure: The expression for the Lagrangian without a gravitational field is given in the book as $$L = \frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{2} + \frac{\dot{\theta}^2 + (\dot{\theta}+\dot{\alpha} )^2}{2} + \dot{\theta} (\dot{\theta}+\dot{\alpha} ) \cos \alpha$$ From this expression it can be seen that $\frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta}=0$ and $\frac{\partial L}{\partial \alpha} = -\dot{\theta}(\dot{\theta}+\dot{\alpha} ) \sin \alpha$. The other two terms in the Euler-Lagrange equations become $$\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}} = 3\dot{\theta} + \dot{\alpha} + (2\dot{\theta} + \dot{\alpha}) \cos \alpha,$$ and $$\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\alpha}} = \dot{\theta} + \dot{\alpha} + \dot{\theta} \cos \alpha.$$ Taking the time derivative of the latter two equations yields $$\frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}} = 3\ddot{\theta} + \ddot{\alpha} + (2\ddot{\theta} + \ddot{\alpha})\cos \alpha - \dot{\alpha}(2\dot{\theta} + \dot{\alpha}) \sin \alpha$$ and $$\frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\alpha}} = \ddot{\theta} + \ddot{\alpha} + \ddot{\theta}\cos \alpha - \dot{\alpha} \dot{\theta} \sin \alpha.$$

Using the conjugate angular momenta $p_{\theta} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}}$ and $p_{\alpha} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\alpha}}$, the Euler-Lagrange equations can be written as $$\frac{d p_{\theta}}{dt} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta} = 0,$$ and $$\frac{d p_{\alpha}}{dt} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \alpha} = -\dot{\theta}(\dot{\theta}+\dot{\alpha} ) \sin \alpha.$$ From the latter four equations we can equate the first and the third one, and the second and the fourth one, to obtain the equations of motion $$3\ddot{\theta} + \ddot{\alpha} + (2\ddot{\theta} + \ddot{\alpha})\cos \alpha - \dot{\alpha}(2\dot{\theta} + \dot{\alpha}) \sin \alpha = 0,$$ and $$\ddot{\theta} + \ddot{\alpha} + \ddot{\theta}\cos \alpha - \dot{\alpha} \dot{\theta} \sin \alpha = -\dot{\theta}(\dot{\theta}+\dot{\alpha} ) \sin \alpha.$$

Conservation of the total angular momentum implies that $\frac{d}{dt} \big[ p_{\theta} + p_{\alpha}\big] = 0$ must hold true. However, the above equations yield $$\frac{d}{dt} \big[ p_{\theta} + p_{\alpha}\big] = -\dot{\theta}(\dot{\theta}+\dot{\alpha} ) \sin \alpha.$$ I do not see how I can prove that the right-hand side of the last equation is zero, neither from the equations of motion nor in any other way. Can someone please help me with this problem?

If you look at the lagrangian, you can see there is a symmetry for theta, but not for alpha. this means that only the conjugate momentum for Ptheta is conserved (which btw contains theta and alpha). The sum must not hold true !

KR

• After reading it, I reread the book on p. 143. There it says "Without a gravitational field, if you rotate the whole system about the origin, nothing changes." Indeed, the lagrangian does not depend on theta. If you look at the figure at the top of this page, you can easily see that a change in theta would leave the system unchanged, whereas a change in alpha would make a difference. Further, the book states that there is "conservation of angular momentum", and not "conservation of total angular momentum". In short, I agree with you now, thanks again. Apr 30, 2018 at 9:12

A few pages earlier in the book, we proved that $$\sum_{i}p_if_i(q)$$ is conserved.

So, for the double pendulum example

• The generalized coordinates {$$q_i$$} are {$$\theta$$, $$\alpha$$}
• The functions {$$f_i$$} that perform the rotation are {$$\theta$$, $$\alpha$$}
• So, the conserved quantity (call it angular momentum) is: $$\theta p_{\theta} + \alpha p_{\alpha}$$

P.S. My first post, please correct me