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In our statistical physics course we learned that entropy is $S=\mathrm{k}ln(\Omega)$. Then, we wrote down the multiplicity of a two-state paramagnet (which I will omit due to cleanness). We plugged the result into $S$ to only find that $S(U\equiv energy)$ has the shape of the upper half of a semi-circle (See Fig.)enter image description here
Suppose the total energy of the system is $|U_{total}|=1$ and $S=1$ is the maximum entropy of system.

Defining temperature as $$\frac{1}{T}=\frac{\partial S}{\partial U},$$ we are essentially indicating the physical existence of negative and infinite temperatures.

I have done much reading about this topic and I understand pretty well where all of this comes from. I understand that such scenario is only possible when your system has a well defined maximum energy it can obtain, in such that if you add any more energy, you will induce a population inversion and you can make sense of negative temperatures from say analyzing the Boltzmann distribution. I also understand that negative temperatures are the hottest in the sense that any other object in thermal contact with the system will gain heat from this system with negative temperature (I make sense of it by thinking that the system has many dipoles/molecules in its higher energy levels and regardless of anything, it will give energy to environment to achieve ground state status).

My Question: What do negative and infinite temperature mean physically? NOT mathematically. How can you explain them and convince me of them using words? What is happening during the short time the system has negative or infinite temperature?

An analogy would be nice! For example, in the case of ideal gases and Einstein solids, you can invoke the equipartition of energy and relate temperature to average kinetic energy. This gives temperature a physical sense and meaning. Does such analogy exist for negative and infinite temperatures?

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  • $\begingroup$ Related: physics.stackexchange.com/q/21851/2451 and links therein. $\endgroup$ – Qmechanic Sep 15 '17 at 2:43
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    $\begingroup$ Everyone with questions about this should be aware of the paper Consistent thermostatistics forbids negative absolute temperatures (AKA arxiv.org/abs/1304.2066 with a different title that exposes some of what happens during the review and editing part of the journal submission process). $\endgroup$ – dmckee --- ex-moderator kitten Sep 15 '17 at 4:12
  • $\begingroup$ Consider a transparent medium with two electron levels in atoms. At absolute zero, all electrons are on the lower level. The higher the temperature, the more electrons are on the second level (jumping back and forth). At the infinite temperature, the number of electrons on both levels is equal. A negative temperature corresponds to the case when there are more electrons on the higher level. This is impossible to achieve by heating, but easy by a powerful flash of light that moves the electrons up for a split second. Then they jump back down emitting light. This is essentially how lasers work. $\endgroup$ – safesphere Sep 15 '17 at 6:06
  • $\begingroup$ If you cannot access the paper that @dmckee refers to then there is a summary here news.mit.edu/2013/… $\endgroup$ – Farcher Sep 15 '17 at 7:51
  • $\begingroup$ @dmckee : Yes, one can look at this paper. But then it'd be also very useful to look at the many papers reacting (with opposite conclusions) to this one (they can easily be found on arXiv). Personally, I found this paper very unconvincing. $\endgroup$ – Yvan Velenik Sep 15 '17 at 13:43
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A positive temperature system always "wants" to absorb more energy in the sense that giving that system more energy gives it more entropy. However, if two systems of positive but unequal temperature come into contact, we know that energy flows from one to the other. That must mean that one system "wants" the energy more than the other, in the sense that one system's $dS/dE$ is bigger than the other.

To be specific, suppose we have two positive temperature systems $A$ and $B$. If $T_A > T_B$, then we expect energy to flow from $A$ to $B$. This happens because the entropy decrease experienced by $A$ as it loses energy is less than the entropy increase experienced by $B$ as it gains energy. Both systems want energy, but $B$'s temperature being lower means that it wants the energy more than $A$ does, and the total entropy of the combined systems is raised if $A$ gives some energy to $B$.

Now, if a system's temperature is negative, as in the right half of the plot, then that means that it would rather give up energy than absorb it. Meanwhile, the positive temperature system always wants to absorb more energy! Therefore, if you put a positive temperature system in contact with a negative temperature one, the energy will flow from the negative temperature system to the positive temperature one because that increases the entropy of both systems.

As you can now see, a negative temperature system is in a sense hotter than any positive temperature one because the negative temperature system will always give energy to the positive temperature one.

What do negative and infinite temperature mean physically?

They mean exactly as described above: a negative temperature just means exactly that the system would rather give up energy instead of absorb it.

An analogy would be nice! For example, in the case of ideal gases and Einstein solids, you can invoke the equipartition of energy and relate temperature to average kinetic energy. This gives temperature a physical sense and meaning. Does such analogy exist for negative and infinite temperatures?

Well, in order to have negative temperature, the system must be such that adding energy does not increase entropy. Such a case is pretty weird, because for example, the number of accessible translational motion states for a moving particle increases with increasing energy. In order to have negative temperature, we must have a system where those translational degrees of freedom are absent, and where the system still has some kind of degrees of freedom that can be excited but only to a limited upper amount of energy. A magnetic system is the most common example, because there we have the spin degree of freedom which has only two states.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you! But, what you have said is rather straightforward and pretty understandable. It doesn't give me that physical (common in everyday's language) meaning of negative and infinite temperature. For example, what is happening to the system at molecular level in such extremes? If $T>0$, I can say its the average kinetic energy. What can I say for negative $T$ values at a fundamental, molecular level? $\endgroup$ – Ptheguy Sep 15 '17 at 2:06
  • $\begingroup$ @Ptheguy "But, what you have said is rather straightforward and pretty understandable." Uh, isn't straightforward and understandable exactly what a good answer should be? $\endgroup$ – DanielSank Sep 15 '17 at 2:07
  • $\begingroup$ Yes, but they are not the answer to my questoin $\endgroup$ – Ptheguy Sep 15 '17 at 2:08
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    $\begingroup$ Please post an answer if you believe you have something more valuable/correct to contribute $\endgroup$ – Ptheguy Sep 15 '17 at 2:25
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    $\begingroup$ @mmesser314 In general, I completely agree with the explanation in terms of probability. I intentionally didn't do that though because OP indicated a solid understanding of the principles underlying entropy etc. I figured this was a case where OP needed more of an illustration to supplement an already well-formed understanding of the fundamentals. $\endgroup$ – DanielSank Sep 15 '17 at 4:20
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Fundamentally, temperature describes the thing that's the same when interacting systems reach equilibrium. They are always emitting and absorbing photons (unless they get really cold). All you need to know about negative temperature (intuitively) is what you can get out of the following approximation:

$$T \approx \frac{\partial U}{\partial S} $$

Temperature is a derivative, so in a positive temperature system, the entropy increases with entropy. That means that when we heat up objects, their entropy increases.

In negative energy systems, the negative slope means that added energy actually decreases the entropy. Because systems tend towards more entropy (not a lower energy state!), negative temperature systems radiate energy as its entropy increases, and it does so very quickly.

Negative temperature systems are a quantum phenomenon - an analogy couldn't really invoke any macroscopic objects, and I'm sure you've thought of tons of derivatives (and how they might become negative). The thing to remember is that negative temperatures are amazingly unstable - entropy increases at most scales, and it does so very quickly when it has more energy than it can stably hold.

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  • $\begingroup$ But I recall learning that systems tend to their lowest energy states! $\endgroup$ – Ptheguy Sep 15 '17 at 2:49
  • $\begingroup$ RE: tending to lower states: Suppose I have a cup that can only hold 6 marbles. If there are tons of marbles, maybe I can catch enough to fill my cup, but if the marbles are few, the cup will tend towards the lowest number of marbles. $\endgroup$ – user121330 Sep 15 '17 at 2:57
  • $\begingroup$ So you're suggesting that the paramagnet system tends towards $N_{up}=N_{down}$? Because I am pretty sure that it tends to $N_{up}=N_{total}$. aka lowest energy state $\endgroup$ – Ptheguy Sep 15 '17 at 2:59
  • $\begingroup$ How much free energy is there? $\endgroup$ – user121330 Sep 15 '17 at 15:33

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