# Is there a proof of the first law of thermodynamics?

Just like according to Is there any proof for the 2nd law of thermodynamics?, there might not be a proof of the second law of thermodynamics, I'm wondering if there isn't a proof of the first law either. I know how it can be proven according to Newtonian physics that energy is always conserved because of the electrostatic potential energy. Although I don't know of a proof, I trust that it has also been proven that energy is always conserved according to non quantum mechanical general relativity. Since atoms don't follow classical relativity, I don't see how to prove that there even exists a way of defining the amount of energy per mass of each substance at any temperature in such a way that the total amount of energy in an isolated system never changes.

• A proof given what axioms? Some might consider the numbered laws of thermodynamics axioms for the field of thermodynamics, which makes asking for a proof non-sensical. – ACuriousMind Jan 24 '17 at 12:43

I don't see how to prove that there even exists a way of defining the amount of energy per mass of each substance at any temperature in such a way that the total amount of energy in an isolated system never changes.

Physics theories are mathematical models for specific frameworks where measurements and observations are made.

These mathematical models are strict and axiomatic, and physics enters with "laws" or "postulates" in order to pick the subset of mathematical solutions that are relevant to data, i.e. fit existing data and are predictive of new data.

The underlying level of nature is quantum mechanical, and at this level conservation laws are important and axiomatic, because together with the mathematical model of quantum mechanics the theories developed are descriptive, predictive and have been continuously validated.

Since the quantum mechanical is the underlying level of the physics frameworks, there is a way to show how classical frameworks emerge from quantum frameworks , i.e. how in the limit of h_bar being zero Newtonian mechanics emerges , and classical electrodynamics emerges, see for example here. It needs quantum electrodynamics background to work things out.

The thermodynamic framework emerges from the statistical mechanics framework. Statistical mechanics solves the many body problem of Newtonian mechanics. Thus the laws of Newtonian mechanics are incorporated in the laws of thermodynamics.

So there is a mathematical way to go from the underlying "laws" in the inner framework of quantum mechanics to the thermodynamic "laws". Of course one realizes that laws were originally discovered in the classical frameworks, and applied to the mathematical theories. When the quantum mechanical framework was discovered it was found that the law of conservation of energy applied there too. In special relativity the definition of energy was expanded so that the laws would still hold, and relativistic quantum mechanics still describes data and predicts new set ups, as has been seen at the LHC the last few years.

General Relativity, which applies to a framework of large dimensions and masses is another story. It does not emerge from the quantum mechanical framework and theorists are searching for a unifying theory , but this is at the frontier of physics research.

• Is there one and only one theory that's consistent with those axioms and has that theory been confirmed with observations? – Timothy Jan 24 '17 at 23:52
• All current physical theories have the same basic conservation laws inherent in their axioms, and these are the validated theories. ( with the exception already mentioned of General Relativity where conservation of energy can be demonstrated only for special subsets) – anna v Jan 25 '17 at 4:20

1st law of thermodynamics is just law of conservation of energy .There is a theorem called Noether's theorem which says if laws of physics don't depend on time then energy is conserved. What does it mean by "laws of physics don't depend on time"?

It simply means if you do some experiment today and then again do it tomorrow under the same conditions results will be same ,time does not matter because laws of physics are not going to change.

Noether's theorem says this implies conservation of energy ,energy is conserved.If you are not familiar with Lagrangian mechanics then read "symmetry in physical laws" by Rechard Feynman to get an intro to Noether's theorem. http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_52.html

• This answer is incorrect. The First Law of Thermo (FLoT) states more than "just law of conservation of energy". If that was all it was then we wouldn't give it a different name. The most important part of the FLoT is the claim that heat is a form of energy. The first law then states that the change of energy of a system is equal to the sum of the work done by/on it and the heat exchanged. I know of no Lagrangian that entails this. – ratsalad Feb 26 at 19:29