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I guess I am having some confusion about the history of calculating Planck's constant. I see the mass of the electron may come into the equation here but isn't the measurement of mass based mostly on how accurate instruments are? I assume it's not something that can be derived like the ratio of a circle to it's diameter? (flat space). There is measurement involved here and limitations of instrumentation? So can its accuracy ever change or am I just way off course here, may be the case.

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    $\begingroup$ Groups around the world, such as NIST, spend lots of time trying to improve measurement technology and techniques so they can measure fundamental constants more accurately. So, yes, the accuracy will change. $\endgroup$ – Jon Custer Jul 14 '16 at 16:56
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Following on from Jon's comment above, this is from the NIST Website (Dated June 21, 2016), discussing a more accurate measure of the kilogram, and the involvement of Planck's constant.

A high-tech version of an old-fashioned balance scale at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has just brought scientists a critical step closer toward a new and improved definition of the kilogram. The scale, called the NIST-4 watt balance, has conducted its first measurement of a fundamental physical quantity called Planck’s constant to within 34 parts per billion – demonstrating the scale is accurate enough to assist the international community with the redefinition of the kilogram. 

Planck’s constant lies at the heart of quantum mechanics, the theory that is used to describe physics at the scale of the atom and smaller. Quantum mechanics began in 1900 when Max Planck described how objects radiate energy in tiny packets known as “quanta.” The amount of energy is proportional to a very small quantity called h, known as Planck’s constant, which subsequently shows up in almost all equations in quantum mechanics. The value of h – according to NIST’s new measurement – is 6.62606983x10-34 kg∙m2/s, with an uncertainty of plus or minus 22 in the last two digits.

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The NIST-4 watt balance has measured Planck’s constant to within 34 parts per billion, demonstrating that the high-tech scale is accurate enough to assist with 2018’s planned redefinition of the kilogram.

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Planck's constant's accuracy can indeed be increased. As detailed by this website, there are five main different ways of calculating Planck's constant, each with varying levels of uncertainty.

Approximately every four years, a organization called CODATA (more specifically, its Task Group on Fundamental Constants) publishes the most up-to-date values for fundamental constants, including Planck's constant. The most recent update came in 2014 (though it was technically published in the middle of 2015). The value for Planck's constant in this update was $6.62607004 \times 10^{−34}\,\mathrm{J}\cdot \mathrm{s}$, with a standard uncertainty of $0.000000081 \times 10^{−34}\,\mathrm{J}\cdot \mathrm{s}$.

This paper as well as the websites linked have more information.

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From 2018 (most probable date at the moment), with the redefinition of the International System of Units (SI), the Planck constant will have an exact, permanent, value, with zero associated uncertainty, assigned according to the latest (2018) adjustment of the fundamental constants made by the CODATA group (see related answer here).

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  • $\begingroup$ Assigning an official value to the Planck constant doesn't suddenly remove the problems in measuring its actual value. Declaring a year to be 365 days still means the calendar will drift out of sync with the seasons. $\endgroup$ – Schwern Jul 15 '16 at 6:22
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    $\begingroup$ @Schwern My understanding is that the uncertainty in measurement will still be there, but instead of uncertainty about the value of Planck's constant given the mass of "the" kilogram in Paris, it will then be the uncertainty of the mass of said kilogram given the then-defined value of Planck's constant... $\endgroup$ – Jonas Heidelberg Jul 15 '16 at 13:35
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    $\begingroup$ @JonasHeidelberg Yes, it's exactly like that: the uncertainty will be transferred to the realization of the kilogram. I'm writing from the phone and I couldn't expand on that now. $\endgroup$ – Massimo Ortolano Jul 15 '16 at 14:29
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No. In sensible units, Planck's constant reduced is exactly 1. Its accuracy cannot be improved in any meaningful sense.

In non-sensible units such as humans sometimes use around the house, Planck's constant is a mishmash of mass, length and time units. Since the mass unit (the kilogram) is not defined physically, it must be measured, and that measurement can be improved. Indeed, it must be improved in order to change it to a physically defined version, which should happen within a few years.

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  • $\begingroup$ Huh. Am I getting downvoted because people don't know that this is true? Or they hate my casual tone? Or they want more citations? Or what? I'm puzzled. $\endgroup$ – Xerxes Jul 15 '16 at 1:51
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    $\begingroup$ The downvote button says "This answer is not useful". Sure, you can redefine anything you like to be 1, but you still need to measure it to be useful."What is the mass of the Sun?" "1." "1 what?" "1 Sun." It's a circular definition. You don't suddenly know how massive the Sun is just because you declared its mass to be 1. Any derived measurements can still only be as accurate as your measurement of the Sun's mass. $\endgroup$ – Schwern Jul 15 '16 at 6:39
  • $\begingroup$ I don't believe that's actually true. You certainly can't define something unitful to be 1 in a sensible way. Planck's constant is a ratio of units, so it defines the relationship between mass, length and time in a specific way. There's a deep and significant meaning to the fact that this, G and c can be set to 1. $\endgroup$ – Xerxes Jul 15 '16 at 14:22
  • $\begingroup$ This is, basically, what the SI units are doing. Except instead of setting it at 1 they're keeping their historical values. But you still have to measure them. And that still has inaccuracies. You'll still get slightly different measurements of what 1 is supposed to be. $\endgroup$ – Schwern Jul 15 '16 at 15:43
  • $\begingroup$ This is why I posted a new answer even though 2 people already offered these measurements of the value of the kilogram as answers. The value of the kilogram is interesting (to humans) and measurable and you can express Planck's constant as a ratio of the value of the kilogram to some other stuff. But fundamentally, the value of the kilogram it doesn't have anything to do with the universal constant. $\endgroup$ – Xerxes Jul 15 '16 at 18:19

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