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I have noticed that when riding in a train travelling at over 100 kmh$^{-1}$, a loud 'slap' can be heard when another train travelling at a similar speed passes in the opposite direction, followed by 'whooshing' as air is sheared between the two trains.

I was wondering what the source of this initial 'slapping' sound is, and whether it is emitted when the fronts of the trains level with each other, or when the front of the opposing train levels with your window?

Since the sound (in my experience) is never heard when watching two trains pass each other from the platform, I would guess that it is due to the sudden compression of air outside the window, generating a sound wave which can only be heard by people travelling with the trains. However I am still not sure about what the presence of two trains has to do with this: it cannot be heard when one just stands on a platform and watches a single train come past, even when the relative speed is similar to that which could be observed between two trains? What actually causes this sound?

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  • $\begingroup$ How often have you watched two trains pass each other at high speed when you were standing on a platform? It seems rather unlikely that they'd pass each other just at the point where the platform was located. $\endgroup$ – Peter Shor Jun 4 '16 at 12:33
  • $\begingroup$ @PeterShor I suppose I haven't on the actual platform, but rather at foot-crossings or auto-crossings in the countryside or across main roads in the suburbs. I've had this experience quite a few times. $\endgroup$ – Orca Jun 4 '16 at 14:11
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    $\begingroup$ My knee-jerk guess is that the sudden increase in pressure as the trains pass causes the windows (and outer sheet metal hull) to flex rather abruptly producing a sound wave inside the car. Even though the windows on high speed trains are supposed to be sealed, there is probably a little "play" in them allowing them to move if enough force is exerted. This would be why you only hear the noise when on the train. $\endgroup$ – honeste_vivere Jun 4 '16 at 15:43
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Every object moving through air has a wave front, like a boat moving through water. The faster the object is moving, the larger the wavefront and its amplitude.

When two wavefronts run into each other, they add their amplitudes. The wavefronts are slightly behind and to the sides of the fronts of the trains. When two trains pass by each other at high speed, the wavefronts collide between the trains, adding together.

Also, as the fronts of the trains pass each other, they are compressing the air between them, which also adds to the amplitude of the wave (it's a compression wave after all), something that cannot occur without another train, or possibly a very close tunnel wall. The sides of the trains, as they are moving quickly, invoke the Bernoulli principle, resulting in low pressure between the trains to contrast with the high pressure around the fronts of the trains.

If the trains are moving fast enough and are the right shape, then a sound similar to a slapping sound will be produced between the trains as they pass. If they are each moving at about half the speed of sound, then the resulting slapping sound would actually be similar to a sonic boom.

This occurs only between the trains, because it is only between the trains that these circumstances occur. On a platform, you won't hear it because the train is blocking the sound. If you could stand between the closely passing trains (somehow), you would hear the sound. If you're on a platform between the trains though, it won't work because the trains are too far apart; their wavefronts don't reach very far.

Here is a link to a slide show that simplifies a long paper written on this very topic. If you would like the whole paper, you can find it here.

Below is an image depicting the solutions to the pressure equations. It is simple to see how the high pressure in front of the red train would push on the windows and body of the blue train. As the front of the res train passes, the quick transition from medium to high to low pressure would likely snap the windows and outer body of the blue train enough to produce the aforementioned "slapping" sound on the inside of the car. This sound is accentuated by the spaces between cars, and especially the front of the train.

pressure system of two passing trains

To be clear, this paper is probably the best explanation you're going to get on this topic. I've done my best to understand where this described "slapping sound" would come from based on that. The only way I can think of getting more information is to do a more complex simulation or a slow motion video of the outside of the train as the other passes by. It would be cool to see the ripple across the body of the train as the other train passes.

EDIT: To clarify, there are two sources of sound here: 1 - The fronts of the trains hitting each other. And 2 - The pressure difference creating a ripple on the outside of the body of the trains.

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    $\begingroup$ Thanks for the paper link and the awesome pressure profile pictures, THAT is the kinda stuff what I was looking for. +1 $\endgroup$ – Wolpertinger Oct 19 '16 at 20:53
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When the train moves, it displaces air in front of it and on the sides. So basically what you are hearing is the impact caused by the "air fronts" displaced by the two trains slamming against each other.

You need two air fronts to hear the sound, so there must be two trains. Also, the speed must be high enough to significantly compress the air: this is why you don't hear it when two trains pass each other on the platform.

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    $\begingroup$ Shouldn't the degree of compression of the air be the same, regardless of whether one is standing on the platform or sitting on the train? This has to do with the relative speed of the air and the trains, not the relative speed of you and the trains. It seems as though the sound-wave is just very short-range, for some reason. $\endgroup$ – Orca Jun 4 '16 at 9:58
  • $\begingroup$ Trains move much slower when inside a station: you need the high relative speed of two trains moving at high speed (so outside a station). The greater the relative velocity of the two fronts of air displaced by the two trains, the greater the effect. Of course when you are on board you are going to hear a louder sound because you will be closer to the area where the two fronts collide (and if the windows are open you can also feel air being pushed violently inside the carriage) $\endgroup$ – valerio Jun 4 '16 at 22:56
  • $\begingroup$ If we're talking about foot-crossings or auto-crossings in the countryside, as you wrote in one of the comments, we are still lacking the other high-speed moving front. That's why you need two trains. $\endgroup$ – valerio Jun 4 '16 at 23:01
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I hear this regularly. I think its a combination of the effects above. The first effect is a front of compressed air being forced ahead of each of the trains. But then, as the fronts of the trains meet and pass, the Bernoulli effect leads to lower pressure between the trains. But this isn't uniform, each carriage has its own mini air front, and the carriages have numerous windows and doors, giving numerous ins and outs.

The result is that intermingled high and low pressure air waves are being forced into and between carriages where the cross section of the space also varies rapidly, and this causes peak and trough air pressures which impact less-than-solid sides and the windows and doors which can move in and out.

So what you hear is a large bang as the train fronts meet; lesser bangs at each carriage; doors and windows thumped in and out in a rhythmic pattern related to the passage of very similar carriages in sequence by varying air pressure; and so on.

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It is worth to mention two things.

  1. Sound is pressure wave traveling in air.
  2. When train is in motion, it brings motion to the air by the train. And when air velocity increases, the air pressure decreases based (can be seen in Bernoulli equation).

When two trains move opposite to each other, the air flow is enough stronger if it is not doubled. The pressure is lower. The flow is turbulent and the pressure is not evenly distributed in space between two trains. So that you can hear slapping.

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