# Why is there no fundamental force following from the $SU(4)$ symmetry?

I've understood that the three fundamental interactions described by the Standard Model (the electromagnetic, the weak and the strong force) are thought to correspond (roughly) to gauge invariances under the $U(1)$, $SU(2)$ and $SU(3)$ group symmetries. Why isn't there a fourth fundamental force following from an (hypothetical) invariance under $SU(4)$ transformations?

Just to clarify, I'm asking for a possible argument relying on logic or theoretical reasons (say, there is perhaps some constraint which doesn't allow this correspondence to apply to $SU$(4)).

Edit:

Though I'll leave the original text unchanged, I'd like to add a possibly more precise way to reformulate this, as suggested by @Rococo: "Can the Standard Model be extended in a straightfoward way to include an $SU$(4) gauge field?"

• And if there was a fourth, would you ask why not a fifth? Or why not ask why there's only one SU(2) gauge force, why not three distinct ones? Our Standard Model is built to describe nature. Asking why that which is designed to describe nature describes nature is not a meaningful question. Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 23:05
• I understand your point, but I can't really tell whether such a question does have a definite answer or not. For instance, one could ask why are there no spin 3/2 or higher fundamental particles, and this does have a definite answer (at least, I've read one). I guess the only way to know is asking to more knowledgeable people. Just to clarify, I was wondering if there was a fundamental reason, not one relying on observations. Commented Mar 28, 2016 at 23:26
• FWIW $SU(4)$ has been proposed. Commented Mar 29, 2016 at 0:00
• I still understand your view. However, I've seen arguments responding to why does the universe exhibit three large-scale spacial dimensions, for instance, which were relying entirely on logic (in this site). One could imagine that the same kind of arguments could apply to this question. It might appear naïve or there might not be an answer, but it might be otherwise. Commented Mar 29, 2016 at 0:15
• I suspect that a more precise way to formulate the OP's question is something like "Can the Standard Model be extended in a straightfoward way to include an SU(4) gauge field." Questions in this spirit (that is, about the structure of our models rather than the universe itself) certainly are widespread in physics, and I don't think it is particularly helpful to imply that they are not legitimate. Commented Mar 29, 2016 at 1:16

I think the crux of your question stems from the apparent pattern in the observed gauge groups appearing in the standard model. In particular, we see a $U(1)$, then $SU(2)$, then $SU(3)$, so if we follow the pattern we might guess this is just the beginning of an infinite series of gauge groups appearing, so the next would be $SU(4)$ (note this pattern isn't perfect, i.e. one would think we should use $SU(1)$, which is actually just the trivial finite group of one element). First I'll say that recognizing patterns and asking if there is an underlying explanation is absolutely essential to advancing physics from a theoretical perspective. And often the most profound breakthroughs come from seemingly trivial observations (the discovery of the different quarks seemed to follow a similar pattern: they had two, then it looked like 3 worked better, then they needed 4, and so on). So all that is just in support of the question, and also to refute the argument that the answer is "that is just the way nature is."

So once you have recognized a pattern, you should start asking whether the pattern solves existing problems with the your current understanding of the system. In the case of quarks, the two quark model did a good job explaining the pion particles that showed up at low energies. However, as more particles were discovered, it looked like they were arranging themselves into groups of $8$ or $10$ rather than groups of $3$. The explanation seemed to be that there was an underlying $SU(3)$ symmetry (not to be confused with the $SU(3)$ color gauge symmetry!), which required $3$ quarks, instead of the previous model based on $SU(2)$ symmetry with $2$ quarks. In fact, after thinking about how particles behaved under the electroweak interaction, they further realized a fourth quark was needed (although the corresponding $SU(4)$ symmetry you might guess is present is actually not, since the charm quark is too heavy to be considered on the same ground as the lighter three). Of course, now we know that there are $6$ quarks, and still people like to speculate whether there could be more.

So back to the original question of whether extending the pattern of the observed gauge groups solves any problems with the standard model. As far as I know, adding an additional $SU(4)$ symmetry doesn't do much other than add more particles that we haven't seen. So those prospects do not look good. However, a similar question related to the structure of gauge groups in the standard model is whether it arises from a grand unified theory (GUT), where the standard model gauge group appears as a subgroup of a larger gauge group. It turns out the smallest simple group that contains the standard model's $SU(3)\times SU(2)\times U(1)$ is $SU(5)$, and there are a number of interesting ways how the particles in the standard model arrange themselves into nice representations under $SU(5)$. This unification solves an interesting problem about how the gauge couplings in the standard model all seem to run to the same value at high energies, which would be an extraordinary coincidence in the absence of a GUT explanation. In this case, the simplest $SU(5)$ models don't seem compatible with data, but extensions involving $SO(10)$ or supersymmetry (as well as a host of other things) still look promising.

In fact, $SU(4)$ can show up as a subgroup of $SO(10)$, and so $SU(4)$ may play an important role in this GUT. I believe in this version of grand unification, lepton number plays the role of the fourth color. So for example, the three colors of up quarks and the neutrino arrange into a four color multiplet of $SU(4)$, and the three colors of down quarks combine with the electron to give another $SU(4)$ multiplet, which is kind of neat!

Anyway, I hope this gives you some intuition about how and why an $SU(4)$ gauge group could arise.

• Nice, but at the end of the day all such extensions are adding particles that we haven't seen, yet (or, maybe we have in dark matter?). That nature choses SO(10) or anything else is still not derivable from a recognizable first principle. We are still merely scrounging the mail order catalog of symmetry groups with this approach (as interesting as it is). Commented Mar 29, 2016 at 0:40
• The SU(4) flavor is occasionally used to classify the baryons, as in this PDG reference. As you noted, SU(4) is not a very good symmetry, so it is only sometimes helpful. Commented Mar 29, 2016 at 2:18
• Why is " SU(1) [...] actually just the finite group Z2"? Doesn't the $S$ denote determinant $1$ and how can one talk about the determinant in the one-dimensional case?
– jak
Commented Apr 1, 2016 at 4:18
• Oh, now that you mention it, $SU(1)$ should actually just be the trivial group. When you have a one-dimensional matrix, it is just a number which is equal to its determinant, so only the number 1 has determinant 1. I just edited the answer to show this. Commented Apr 1, 2016 at 4:30