# Time Dilation inside a hollow shell

Assuming I have a hollow shell with total mass $M$ and radius $r$. On the surface, the gravitational time dilation would be

$$\tau=t \cdot \sqrt{1-\frac{v_{esc}^2}{c^2}}$$

where

$$v_{esc} = \sqrt{\frac{2 \cdot G \cdot M}{r}}$$

but inside the shell there would be no gravitational field (Newton's shell theorem and Birkhoff's theorem).

But still, the escape velocity required to escape to infinity would be the same as on the surface, since inside the shell you could move without any accelerating or decelerating forces acting on you until you reach the surface, from where you would get pulled backwards.

So is the time dilation inside the hollow shell relative to a field free observer at infinity

1. zero (I assume it's not) or
2. the same as on the surface (my best guess), or
3. something completely different?

I found some not really duplicate but related threads on the interior of black holes which did not really focus on the math, but I am more behind the calculations in terms of $M$ and $r$.

For an asymptotically flat metric, the proper time measured by a "stationary" observer (defined here as one whose path through spacetime only has changing $t$, and no changing spatial coordinates) is $$d \tau = \sqrt{ - g_{tt}} dt,$$ where $g_{tt}$ is the time-time component of the metric. For a "weak" gravitational field, this works out to be $$g_{tt} \approx - \left( 1 + \frac{2 \Phi}{c^2} \right),$$ where $\Phi$ is the gravitational potential, defined such that $\Phi \to 0$ as $r \to \infty$. Thus, $$d \tau = \sqrt{ 1 + \frac{2 \Phi}{c^2}} dt.$$ In this form, it is pretty obvious that the time dilation factor is the same everywhere inside the shell, since $\Phi$ is a constant inside a hollow shell (compare the electrostatic equivalent if you're not convinced of this.)

Note that your formula, in terms of the escape velocity, is equivalent to this one if you define the escape velocity at any point as "the velocity for which the object's total energy is zero." (Zero total energy means, of course, that the particle can escape to infinity.) In this case, we have $$\frac{1}{2} m v_\text{esc}^2 + m \Phi = 0 \quad \Rightarrow \quad v_\text{esc}^2 = - 2 \Phi$$ and your result above is recovered. In this interpretation, the "escape velocity" from inside a hollow sphere would be the same as the escape velocity from the surface: if we launch a projectile inside the shell, it will travel with constant velocity until it reaches the surface of the shell; and if we open a little porthole in the shell at that point for the projectile, it's as if we launched it from the surface with that same velocity.

• – John Rennie Jan 16 '16 at 15:59
• Would the same conclusions still hold if the gravitational field was strong instead of weak? – thermomagnetic condensed boson Jan 16 '16 at 18:29
• Just to get it right: if I place a planet with a mass and radius corresponding to a gravitational time dilation factor of x inside a hollow shell which has (without the planet inside) a time dilation of factor y on its surface the new factor on the surface of the planet which is now inside the shell would be x*y, compared to an observer at infinity? – Yukterez Jan 16 '16 at 19:25
• @no_choice99: it turns out that for the Schwarzschild metric the weak field expression using the Newtonian potential gives the correct answer, so Michael's conclusion is correct even for objects that are massive enough to be nearly black holes. However this isn't generally true. – John Rennie Jan 17 '16 at 11:33
• @no_choice99: In addition to what John said, the notion of "escape velocity" (in my last paragraph) is not related to $\Phi$ in such a simple way when $\Phi$ is large. – Michael Seifert Jan 18 '16 at 16:26

It seems to me, clock speed inside a Newton Shell should be independent of the mass of the shell, as if that mass did not exist. There is no net force, therefore there is no gravitational potential with respect to the mass. Considering escape velocity from inside the shell to someplace infinitely far away is an interesting twist, but a clock inside the shell does not sense the presence of the shell's mass, or "know" there is anything from which to escape. I suspect, in terms of gravitational time dilation inside a Newton Shell, the subject of escape velocity is a red herring and has no bearing on internal clock speed.

• Every clock runs locally at it's natural rate. Gravitational time dilation effects the observation of clocks from other places. And while all clocks inside the shell would agree with each other the OP explicitly asks for a comparison to distance clocks. – dmckee --- ex-moderator kitten Oct 27 '17 at 22:33