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Usually relativistic time dilation effects require something traveling near the speed of light. But the high speed requirement can be replaced with a high distance requirement instead. Traveling away from a distant location will let you observe older distant events than when traveling towards a distant location.

What I think this means is if you observe a supernova that's at just the right distance away while the Earth is traveling away from the event during its orbit then wait half a year for when the Earth is traveling in the opposite direction, you'll sweep another slice of space from spacetime that also contains the supernova event. You should be able to adjust what distance this works for by waiting for different velocity differences during orbit or sending a satellite up to have more control over the velocity differences and wait times.

Do we have any photographed evidence of the same supernova exploding twice by carefully using the time dilation effects of small velocity differences across large distances?

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What I think this means is if you observe a supernova that's at just the right distance away while the Earth is traveling away from the event during its orbit then wait half a year for when the Earth is traveling in the opposite direction, you'll sweep another slice of space from spacetime that also contains the supernova event.

This is a great way of thinking, and if you turn it around, you'll see the answer to your question.

For convenience, let's pretend the supernova happens at a single point in spacetime. The light from the supernova travels out along the forward light cone of that point.

Meanwhile, a few thousand light years away, the sun and the earth are hurtling through space and time. Since they're both massive objects, their worldlines are timelike curves. The earth's worldline spirals around the sun's, as sketched below.

People on earth will see the supernova at the point in spacetime where the earth passes through the supernova's forward light cone. Now, here's an important geometry fact: in flat spacetime, no timelike curve can pass through a given forward light cone more than once. No matter how weird and curvy the earth's worldline looks, it can't pass through the supernova's forward light cone twice, so people on earth only get one chance to watch the fireworks.

Spacetime diagram of a supernova seen from our solar system

As QuadmasterXLII and Cort Ammon have pointed out, the situation is different in curved spacetime. When spacetime is warped, it's possible for a timelike curve to pass through a given forward light cone many times.

The "light echoes" Kyle Kanos mentioned can occur even in flat spacetime: they happen when the light from the supernova hits a reflective object, like a cloud of dust. The light that hits the dust cloud scatters off in all directions, forming a second light cone. Now people on earth can see light from the supernova twice: once when the earth passes through the forward light cone of the supernova, and once when it passes through the forward light cone of the scattering event.

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  • $\begingroup$ Is that you're own drawing? I LOVE it! Kind of reminds me of the 1960s Batman TV series. $\endgroup$ – WetSavannaAnimal May 27 '16 at 22:58
  • $\begingroup$ @WetSavannaAnimalakaRodVance Yes, I made it in Inkscape; everything that looks hand-drawn was done on a drawing tablet. I'm glad you like it! I'll keep 1960s television animation in mind as a backup career. $\endgroup$ – Vectornaut May 28 '16 at 0:38
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You can't quite look back in time, unless you can outrun a photon. If you think about it, the event being observed is marked by a release of photons forming a sphere like shape. Once you are inside the sphere, you can observe the event. However, once you are inside, the only way to get outside is to go faster than the wave-front of photons. Unless you can get outside, you can't observe it again.

However, we can do better than that. We can view a supernova from multiple angles at once, using gravitational lensing!

http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2015/03/05/distant-supernova-split-four-ways-by-gravitational-lens/

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  • $\begingroup$ I misunderstood then. Perhaps only the relative movement of the observed event matters for when you receive the information of distant events? $\endgroup$ – 0xFFF1 Mar 15 '15 at 4:03
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    $\begingroup$ It matters greatly when determining when events occur, and simultaneity. However, those are topics discussing two different observing parties. In this case, you have one observing party, seeking to run around the universe, so it only gets to see events unfold in one order. $\endgroup$ – Cort Ammon - Reinstate Monica Mar 15 '15 at 4:10
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    $\begingroup$ But as mentioned in the article, gravitational lensing also allows to view a supernova from multiple angles at different times (in this case, with intervals on the order of decades), which contradicts your first paragraph. In other words, the wave front may look much more complicated than “sphere-like”. $\endgroup$ – Emil Jeřábek supports Monica Mar 15 '15 at 15:23
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    $\begingroup$ This does raise the interesting question of what shape the photon shell has after it passed the gravitaional lens. Apparently it gets "folded" such that it passes through us several times. But does it stay connected after folding? Are some of our observations because a "reversed" part of the photon shell sweeps past us, so we end up back "on the outside" of the deformed shell, topologically speaking? And how is that consistent with seeing an even number of images? $\endgroup$ – Henning Makholm Mar 15 '15 at 15:33
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    $\begingroup$ @HenningMakholm Well, if there are two (or more) geodesics from the nova event to us, why should they be of equal length in the first place? Also, even if I observe from two angles simultanuously, the notion of simultanity is relativistically meaningless away from my personal position where both rays go through different points in space ... $\endgroup$ – Hagen von Eitzen Mar 15 '15 at 18:45
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You're not going to see the explosion twice, that's pretty much against the rules of SR and reference frames. However, with a lot of fortune, we can actually see the light from the remnant a second time (maybe more). Sorta

There are things called light echoes, which is an analog to the common acoustic echoes that we are all familiar with. When this occurs, what we observe is the light as it was (sans absorption effects) when the star exploded. And it's entirely based on the geometry of things near the supernova and our planet.

Suppose the yellow blob in the image below (from the linked Wiki page) is the supernova.

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We typically see the light labeled A. However, if there is a dust cloud towards the right side (at either bend in paths B and C), then the light will take the long-way around and come to us much later.

What we see is rather beautiful:
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(Light echo of SN1987A, source)

The concentric rings are tell-tale signs of the light echo. The light curve from the echoes can tell us a bit about the remnant type (e.g., Type I or Type II and all subclasses) and some characteristics of the dusty environment (due to absorptions).

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    $\begingroup$ Can ducks make a light echo? $\endgroup$ – tpg2114 Mar 15 '15 at 4:15
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    $\begingroup$ @tpg2114 Only if they're floating in a dust cloud when they go supernova. MythBusters was unable to recreate that part of the myth, if I remember correctly. $\endgroup$ – Reinstate Monica iamnotmaynard Mar 16 '15 at 20:39
  • $\begingroup$ This is clearly the answer. From the source you link: "One bonus is that, given the peculiar nature of gravitational lensing, astronomers can tune in for a supernova replay within the next five years. This is because light can take various paths around and through a gravitational lens, arriving at Earth at different times. Computer modeling of this lensing cluster shows that the researchers missed opportunities to see the exploding star 50 years ago and again 20 years ago, but images of the explosion will likely repeat again in a few years." $\endgroup$ – Lightness Races with Monica Mar 17 '15 at 11:23
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One supernova has been observed 4 times, over the course of 20 years! This didn't involve the Earth's orbit. Instead, the supernova's light took 4 different routes from its source to Earth, the routes bending due to the gravity of galaxy clusters between the supernova and Earth. Because the lengths of these paths varied by up to 20 lightyears, the light travelling some paths took up to 20 years longer to reach us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/science/astronomers-observe-supernova-and-find-theyre-watching-reruns.html?_r=0

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    $\begingroup$ This is pretty much the exact same answer that Cort wrote 11 hours prior to this one. $\endgroup$ – Kyle Kanos Mar 15 '15 at 15:13
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    $\begingroup$ You are correct, I misread his answer the first time. $\endgroup$ – QuadmasterXLII Mar 15 '15 at 20:12
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Very simply put, in order to view any event twice, both occasions in absolute real time (ignoring the time the light took to reach you, directly from the event), you would need to outrun the photons, which entails faster-than-light travel.

Now, if you're willing to accept less than real time, it is absolutely possible, though it gets less and less practical as you add more delay in trying to separate the two viewings in time. For example, you could:

  • Use a giant mirror: If you were to be positioned 7.5 kilometers from the event, armed with a space telescope and you positioned a large mirror 17987540km away, you would see the event with the naked eye about 25 microseconds (25.0173071 microseconds) after it happened, and your telescope would see it reflected through the mirror about 2 minutes after it happened (119.999975s).

  • Slow down the light: As light travels through a material with a large refractive index (technically any material, given a refractive index greater than 1), it is slowed down. If you distributed a material with a sufficiently large refractive index between you and the event, but only on one side (take your pick, there's no right or left in space), you could see the event first looking around the material, and then again looking through it. In fact, Harvard physicist Lene Hau used this method in 1999 to bike alongside light, and beat it to its destination. Unfortunately, her method would be very difficult to use in space, where fluctuating temperatures and vast distances would prevent the use of any conventional Earth-borne material.

  • Store the image: The next possible solution, and the most practical, is to simply store the event on camera. There are also a number of chemical processes which similarly reproduce images, though as a general rule a digital camera (or space telescope) will produce a far better image.

In short, there are good reasons why scientists use cameras (often space telescopes).

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Similar to, but perhaps more repeatable on-demand than Quadmaster's answer:

After you see the supernova, just look at a black hole somewhere "to the side" (not along the line between the supernova and you) and compensate for the distortion.

A black hole, like a lens, bends light traveling near enough to be affected by its gravity (in our case, we want it to bend and pass without encountering the event-horizon). The hypotenuse of a triangle is never quite as long as the sum of the other two sides, so think of the photons from the original viewing traveling along the hypotenuse, and the blackhole as being the right-angle (though it doesn't have to necessarily be a right-angle).

The black hole allows you to view photons from the supernova which were emitted at the same time as your original observation...and these traveled a much further distance, so they'll arrive later for your convenience.

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