# Will we ever be able to view the past?

By analogy with the sun, whose light is apparently reaching us in 8 minutes, it means that we are only viewing the sun 8 minutes ago when we look up at it. However, what if we were eventually able to build powerful machines that could view light from say hundreds/thousands of years ago, wouldn't that mean we would be able to observe what anyone did at any given time (given that we know their rough whereabouts at that time, e.g. where they lived). I think this is more a question of: Do things we can observe die out immediately, or travel as light, or get stored somewhere?

(Sorry, I know next to nothing about Physics so please cut me some slack if I said anything naive/silly)

• Related: physics.stackexchange.com/q/11940/2451 and links therein. – Qmechanic Jan 28 '15 at 12:41
• I am reading now the post that you wrote yesterday. – Florian F Jan 29 '15 at 13:49
• This powerful-machine-that-can-view-light-from-hundreds/thousands-of-years-ago existed in the 17th century. Today's machines can see up to 13.37 billion years ago! – imallett Jan 29 '15 at 15:26
• According to Vsauce, you are viewing the past right now! – Nick Jan 30 '15 at 15:46
• A better question would be, will it ever be possible to view the present? – Simon Jan 31 '15 at 8:40

If you have a mirror placed 100 lightyears from earth what you do now will be reflected in the mirror 100 years later. Another 100 years later the reflection reaches you. By looking into this mirror you could see 200 years into the past. The farther away the mirror, the farther back in time you can look. (practical limitations on the distance arise from the Hubble expansion, but this is another chapter).

• However if we need to install the mirror, installing mirror 100 lightyears from Earth is going to take at least 100 lightyears, so we can't ever watch our actions from before we decide to install it. And we didn't do it yet, so we won't be able to view actions that are already past. – Jan Hudec Jan 28 '15 at 19:31
• We could set up a mirror on our planet for others and hope that aliens would think the same way in a community spirit. Then we could scan for mirrors around. I guess atmosphere and mirror quality could significantly reduce the quality and the power of our reflection for others. – eel ghEEz Jan 28 '15 at 21:29
• @ Jan Hudec: True, but since the question was "will we ever be able to view the past?" the answear is definitely yes, because todays present is tomorrows past. – Yukterez Jan 28 '15 at 22:04
• Also, we may not need to install any mirror - gravitational lenses can bend light in a boomerang effect - in essence acting like a mirror (cosmo.fis.fc.ul.pt/users/crawford/papers/Stuckey.pdf). So if we find a nice supermassive black hole that's N light years away, we could theoretically extract an image of ourselves from 2*N years ago. It will be distorted, but an undistorted image could be reconstructed. Of course, this is assuming "magical telescopes". – Gretchen Jan 28 '15 at 22:33
• The fact that you think your practical limitation here is the hubble expansion shows you're a theorist. ;D – DerManu Jan 30 '15 at 17:51

In principle, sure... if we imagine that we can actually make an image out of such tiny amounts of light. As others have pointed out, all we need is a mirror. But we actually have mirrors not too far away: black holes!

When light gets close to the black hole, it bends around it. This is called gravitational lensing. Passing kinda close means a little bending; much closer means much more bending. Light that gets really close can actually pull a 180, and come straight back. (Light that gets even closer can go around the black hole numerous times, and shoot off in basically any direction.) This works with ordinary, run-of-the-mill black holes; there's no need for crazy spins, or wormhole topology.

So yes, in principle, some of the light that's leaving Earth right now will eventually come back. The only problem is that there will be so few photons that the light will be ridiculously dim, and coming from a really tiny area right near that black hole. We can see the light from stars many light years away, but stars give off far more photons than Earth. So realistically, we'll never be able to make an image out of this light from anything in human history.

Also note that lensing happens for every massive object -- black holes, neutron stars, regular stars, galaxies, clusters... But only black holes have their mass compact enough to not stop light that's come so close that it could pull a U-turn. Regular stars have matter in the way of the light that's trying to come "really close", so that light gets stopped. It's possible that more ordinary masses could arrange themselves to combine multiple bends into a U-turn, but that light would be even more dim...

[More cool stuff on gravitational lensing is here and in links therein.]

• This is a much better answer than just to have the "put-a-mirror-up"-discussion, +1! You could make it even better by going into Hubble expansion and red/blue-shifting a bit – avalancha Jan 29 '15 at 12:42
• Thanks. :) Hubble expansion doesn't actually come into it very much -- unless you want to look at really insanely distant times in the past. The Hubble parameter is around 70 (km/s)/Mpc, which is equivalent to roughly 10^-10 times the speed of light per light year. So you'd have to be looking "back in time" a hundred million years to get even a 1% effect on the wavelength. The cosmos is surprisingly large, and even our galaxy is a surprisingly small part of it. – Mike Jan 29 '15 at 14:15
• Of course, if the black hole were moving towards or away from us, or if the black hole had significant spin, that would change the energy of the photons, which would mean red/blue shifting. – Mike Jan 29 '15 at 14:16

The light from earth from (say) a hundred years ago is now a hundred light years from earth. So, in principle, if you could get in front of the light, and had a magic* telescope, you should be able to look back and see the Earth as it was a hundred years ago. But, if you're on the Earth now, to actually get in front of the light, you need to travel faster than the light, and this is impossible according to Special Relativity.

PS - The telescope has to be very magic, to deal with tiny amounts of light, diffraction, absorption...

wouldn't that mean we would be able to observe what anyone did at any given time (given that we know their rough whereabouts at that time, e.g. where they lived).

There's a quite practical reasons why this isn't possible: Most of the time, the light a person emits (or more correctly, light that bounces off him) doesn't go very far before it runs into something that absorbs it -- a wall, the ground, overcast sky, or as a special case the retinas of someone looking at you. Thus this light ceases to exist very quickly.

If you're doing something somewhere where you can see blue sky (or at night if you can see the stars and somehow there's light to see you by), the light from you will be able to escape into space where it can keep going for thousands of years -- and then what the other answers say about big mirrors floating in space and magical telescopes becomes relevant.

But even in principle this only applies to actions that can be seen from space in the first place. What you're doing in your house with the curtains drawn, or for that matter out in the open on an overcast day, can't ever be observed by visual light other than by someone who is present there to observe it immediately.

Do things we can observe die out immediately, or travel as light, or get stored somewhere?

For an amusing fictional take on the idea that information about our actions "get stored somewhere" without needing to travel as light does, see The Dead Past by Isaac Asimov. Don't dwell too much on the scientific premise of the story, however -- it's been overtaken quite soundly by later discoveries, and much of it (spoiler!) turns out to be fake even in-universe.

You are right, and it is often said in the context of cosmology, that observations of distant objects are looking backwards in time, because we are seeing those objects not as they are now, but as they were when they emitted that light towards us.

Could we, in principle, look backwards in time upon ourselves with this trick? No, probably not. We cannot travel faster than the speed of light, so we can never "catch-up" with light that was emitted from Earth during e.g. the stone-age and see what they were up to.

Perhaps there are some sci-fi style possibilities - strange spacetime geometries/wormholes that might make it possible to catch up with light without ever strictly exceeding the speed of light, however. Or some slightly more mundane ones - could we use some object in the Univese as a sort of video camera or mirror, and study the past by the effects light from the Earth would have had on it?

I think there's possibly another thermodynamics question here: where does information about e.g. what you had for breakfast go? Could, in principle, that be found in 1000 years time by running the laws of physics backwards on the positions, momenta of all particles? I'll leave that one for you to mull over.

• The light from distant planets is so red detuned that you can't infer it as images, so it's not possible – Avrham Aton Jan 28 '15 at 16:27
• I thought heisenberg uncertainty ensured that you couldn't ever get a precise enough universal state to run it in reverse? – Sobrique Jan 28 '15 at 21:01

The universe is sometimes described as a time machine, as every photon has taken time to reach us. Each star you see is several light-years away, and hence each star appears as it was several years ago.

Galaxies are typically millions of light-years away, so you are seeing them as they were millions of years ago.

The universe lets you see the past!

I feel the top answer right now is incomplete. The short answer is that it is theoretically possible, because the light from any period in history is out there in space travelling away from us, but there are some important points to consider:

1) We have no way of catching up to light from the past. It travels faster than we can ever hope to, so we would never be able to set up a mirror in a place that would reflect light from before when we left earth to set up the mirror.

2) It'd be really blurry. We'd be essentially looking at earth from many lightyears away, so some sort of telescope (or magnifying mirror) could help clarify the image a bit, but the same rules apply as with anything you're viewing from really far away. So if there was a really shiny planet that reflected light perfectly 100 light years away, we could be looking at ourselves from 200 years ago, but we'd be lucky to see a blue dot.

3) It's the most impractical way of looking into the past. Since you can only see light that was emitted after you left to go put up a mirror, you'd be much better off trying to capture and store the light on earth or close to earth from a satellite. Say, like, a video camera ;)

Yes. It is only possible to view the past. We cannot view the future, and by the time we see the present, it is already the past.

However if you want to view a specific period in history, that will probably only be possible if you first achieve faster than light travel. Then you can travel to a point that light from that period hasn't arrived at yet and capture it to view the event. Of course there are additional problems to overcome, for example some of the light may have been distorted by gravity, you might need to compensate for Doppler shifting, etc.

• ...although this has all been covered in previous answers... :\$ – CompanyDroneFromSector7G Jan 29 '15 at 15:35

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