Today, I was watching the Inexplicable Universe with Neil deGrasse Tyson.

He spoke about Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and then he spoke about Tachyons.

Naively, I thought what if the reason we can't understand dark matter/dark energy is because it is moving faster than light?

I would be very interested how this fits in to the current thinking about tachyons and dark matter/dark energy? Is there an obvious point that makes this association impossible? Is there a property of tachyons that is clearly in opposition to what we know about dark matter/dark energy?

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    $\begingroup$ I don't know if this paper is anything interesting. I found it on arxiv.org: arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0403048 $\endgroup$ – Larry Freeman Jan 3 '15 at 6:11
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    $\begingroup$ Dark matter is forming halos around galaxies, so if it does obey the usual laws of physics, it is not moving faster than ordinary matter. Dark energy, on the the hand, is merely a term to denote the accelerating expansion of the universe and there are no obvious effects that would link it to any form of tachyon model. $\endgroup$ – CuriousOne Jan 3 '15 at 6:50
  • $\begingroup$ Thanks very much. I knew that it was a naive hypothesis. My question was based on dark energy/dark matter not being understood and tachyons being purely theoretical particles. $\endgroup$ – Larry Freeman Jan 3 '15 at 7:14
  • $\begingroup$ Since someone down voted me, I would be very glad to understand why. Please post a comment if you would. I will delete this question if anyone feels that my question is not appropriate or not sincere. $\endgroup$ – Larry Freeman Jan 3 '15 at 7:15
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    $\begingroup$ Actually, I would say the opposite; this is not the right place for your question, because it is not a well justified question. You haven't given any reason to think dark matter or dark energy could be explained by tachyons. Considering that it's common knowledge among researchers and advanced students - the target audience of this site - that the properties of these three things are completely different, a question that doesn't give any reason to question that common knowledge shows a lack of research effort. $\endgroup$ – David Z Jan 3 '15 at 9:41

Byt the simple method of googling "tachyons and dark energy" two arXiv papers came on , the first published in phys rev D.

We present a detailed study of cosmological effects of homogeneous tachyon matter coexisting with non-relativistic matter and radiation, concentrating on the inverse square potential and the exponential potential for the tachyonic scalar field.

It seems that yes, models can be built using tachyon matter that display the expansion fitted with dark energy.

The second tackles dark matter also but is only an arxiv publication.

Anyhow the question can be answered by: that it is not impossible to construct such models , which will need many parameters fitted from observations.

  • $\begingroup$ Comment to the answer (v1): The linked arXiv papers presumably talk about tachyonic fields (which are subluminal); while OP apparently asks about tachyonic point particles (which are superluminal), cf. this Phys.SE post. It would interesting to know exactly what Neil deGrasse Tyson said in that video. $\endgroup$ – Qmechanic Oct 14 '17 at 14:59
  • $\begingroup$ @Qmechanic it calls it "matter" in the abstract and also the main paper at, least the first link in the search. All matter is described by fields after all. Tachyon wavepackets must be superluminal by definition $\endgroup$ – anna v Oct 14 '17 at 16:09
  • $\begingroup$ Here is a link discussing tachyonic proposals link.springer.com/article/10.1140%2Fepjc%2Fs10052-016-4577-8 $\endgroup$ – anna v Oct 15 '17 at 4:06

The paper above mentioned (http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0403048) says that -

  • if tachyons make up some of the missing mass of the universe then their imaginary mass should be of millielectronvolts! (we don't know what imaginary mass means)

  • The number of species of subluminal particles (other massive particles) should be less.

Though considering tachyons as some component of dark matter doesn't change the cosmological consequences but they would indeed have some effect on the nucleosynthesis.

Tachyon field as dark energy has been studied. Their potential does give solutions to the accelerated expansion of the Universe. The major drawback in accepting such theory is- in general (like ΛCDM model) the expansion doesn't play a significant role beyond redshift z=1 but in tachyonic models they are significant. In such models, they indeed slow down the structure formations. But we have evidence to show that there should be a rapid structure formation (actually even faster than what ΛCDM model predicts- galaxy cluster- XMMU-J2235.3-2557 at z=1.4)


I've come to the conclusion that tachyons, anti-matter, positrons and Dark Matter are simply different manifestations of the same thing. What most people don't realise is that Quantum Physics was only ever a "Temporary Expedient" because no one could solve the real question at the Solvay Conference (1927). Physics has stopped trying to solve the real problems and got involved in esoteric maths years ago to the point most people are no longer trying to solve the big picture. What is needed is a Paradigm shift in thinking. Dark matter being tachyons and Quantum Perterbrations being caused by the cones of they leave behind. Much like a sonic boom. Just an idea.


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