# How can area be a vector?

My professor told me recently that Area is a vector. A Google search gave me the following definition for a vector:

Noun: A quantity having direction as well as magnitude, esp. as determining the position of one point in space relative to another.

My question is - what is the direction of area? I can relate to the fact that velocity is a vector. The velocity of a moving motorbike for example, has a definite direction as well as a definite magnitude assuming that the bike is moving in a straight line & not accelerating.

My friend gave me this explanation for the direction of Area vector. Consider a rectangular plane in space. He argued that the orientation of the plane in space can only be described by considering area as a vector & not a scalar.

I still wasn't convinced. Suppose the plane was placed such that its faces were perpendicular to the directions, North & South for example. Now the orientation of the plane is the same irrespective whether the so called vector points to north or to the south. Further what is the direction of a sphere's area?

Does considering area as a vector have any real significance? Please explain.

• Since this question is really mathematical in nature, would it be appropriate for migration to the math site? I think that most questions which deserve the "mathematics" tag (not to be confused with "mathematical-physics") are probably better off on math.SE. – David Z Aug 31 '11 at 8:26
• @David Honestly I can not think of a better example of clear overlap between physics and math. While I don't doubt that mathematics wouldn't have a problem vectorizing an area, it seems like the entire point is so that it can be used in some physical sense. It also depends, if you're talking about differential surfaces for integration (like I think you are), then yes I'd agree it's a math topic. But what about using the area vector for a current loop in calculating the magnetic field? That's almost certainly physics material. – Alan Rominger Aug 31 '11 at 13:15
• – Qmechanic Jun 17 '13 at 19:16
• anything needing more than one scalar to be completly described is a vector-like. The question is in what frame this description takes place. – user46925 Jul 14 '15 at 16:58

This might be more of a math question. This is a peculiar thing about three-dimensional space. Note that in three dimensions, an area such as a plane is a two dimensional subspace. On a sheet of paper you only need two numbers to unambiguously denote a point.

Now imagine standing on the sheet of paper, the direction your head points to will always be a way to know how this plane is oriented in space. This is called the "normal" vector to this plane, it is at a right angle to the plane.

If you now choose the convention to have the length of this normal vector equal to the area of this surface, you get a complete description of the two dimensional plane, its orientation in three dimensional space (the vector part) and how big this plane is (the length of this vector).

Mathematically, you can express this by the "cross product" $$\vec c=\vec a\times\vec b$$ whose magnitude is defined as $|c| = |a||b|sin\theta$ which is equal to the area of the parallelogram those to vectors (which really define a plane) span. To steal this picture from wikipedia's article on the cross product:

As I said in the beginning this is a very special thing for three dimensions, in higher dimensions, it doesn't work as neatly for various reasons. If you want to learn more about this topic a keyword would be "exterior algebra"

Update:

As for the physical significance of this concept, prominent examples are vector fields flowing through surfaces. Take a circular wire. This circle can be oriented in various ways in 3D. If you have an external magnetic field, you might know that this can induce an electric current, proportional to the rate of change of the amount flowing through the circle (think of this as how much the arrows perforate the area). If the magnetic field vectors are parallel to the circle (and thus orthogonal to its normal vector) they do not "perforate" the area at all, so the flow through this area is zero. On the other hand, if the field vectors are orthogonal to the plane (i.e. parallel to the normal), the maximally "perforate" this area and the flow is maximal.

if you change the orientation of between those two states you can get electrical current.

• +1 for mention of magnetic fields. Not all surface vectors used in physics are differential. – Alan Rominger Aug 31 '11 at 13:16
• Thanks. Just a few clarifications. You asked me to imagine a person standing on a paper & consider the direction of his head as representing the normal vector. But suppose this person was standing on the exact opposite face, then won't the orientation of the paper still remain the same? But now the direction of the vector is in the opposite direction. Please clarify. – Green Noob Sep 1 '11 at 6:26
• Secondly, you said that this concept doesn't work so well in higher dimensions. So does that mean that my question about the direction of a sphere's area is invalid? If so then is area a scalar in this particular case since considering it as a vector cannot specify its orientation in space? – Green Noob Sep 1 '11 at 6:32
• what's keeping you from being satisfied? – luksen Sep 2 '11 at 13:58
• It's not satisfying because although a x b is a vector, |a x b|, i.e. the area, is a scalar, therefore it is unconvincing that area is a vector. – user124384 Sep 30 '16 at 5:50

The main regime of use is when an area is infinitesimally small, like one would use in an integral. In that case, we can easily see that it is flat, and the shape doesn't really matter. In which case, we can encode the information as a vector, with the magnitude representing the (scalar) area; the choice (as you noticed) of pointing out of any given side is exactly that --- a choice --- but one that can be made consistently. We can extend this to non-infinitesimal planes, but it doesn't work that well for curved surfaces.

To be precise, what you really want is a co-vector. This is an abstract gadget which takes a vector and spits out a scalar. For a plane, you want this to represent the "amount" of the vector that goes through the plane --- so it should be linear in the vector (doubling the vector doubles the output) and it should take into account the angle at which the vector hits it (gives a factor of $\cos$). Now, we can ask the question of how to represent this abstract co-vector, and it turns out that a vector is a good idea! Specifically, we can represent the action as taking the dot product, which naturally encodes the linearity and the cosine. Now, in general, this happens to have the same number of dimensions as a proper vector, but this only encodes an area (a 2D surface) in 3D --- in 2D you would get a line, in 4D a volume (yes! A 4-vector intersects a volume at one point!).

If you want to learn more about this sort of thing, you want to investigate differential geometry, where all it is necessary to be clear about this sort of thing and not mix up vectors and co-vectors (called forms in that field). A good readable reference is Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity which starts from a basic overview of the mathematics and develops it for physical use.

• In the context of field theories, such as with electromagnetism, the concept of "the amount of a vector (field) that goes through a plane segment" is given the name flux. So you may think of area as being characterized by a function which maps vectors (or a vector field) to the flux of that vector (field) through the area. – Niel de Beaudrap Aug 31 '11 at 10:27
• @luksen the book that he mentioned is good for what level of mathematical and physical knowledge?To rephrase,what are the prerequisites in order to start to efficiently following the book?And is it a graduate or undergraduate book? – TheQuantumMan Jul 14 '15 at 19:27

Think of Force is Pressure times Area ($F = P\cdot A$). You know pressure is a scalar (there is no direction associated with it), and a force is a vector (it acts along an axis). So what does that mean for pressure.

Take a small area and see it's contribution to the total force due to pressure

$${\rm d}F = P(x,y,z)\,{\rm d}A$$

The direction of the force is normal to the area, and its magnitude is proportional to the size of the area. This is why an infinitesimal area ${\rm d} A$ can be a vector. It is convenient to think of (vector)=(scalar)*(vector).

There is an especially picturesque example of the Law of Pythagors in three dimensions applied to the areas of a simplex. (Where by "simplex" I believe I mean a section of space bounded by three orthogonal planes and one arbitrary plane.) The sum of the squares (of the areas) of the three small faces are equal to the square of the area of the oblique face. It is easily explained by the pressure/flow type arguments put forward in the other answers posted here, plus the obvious physical condition that an undisturbed fluid is in equilibrium with itself.

We can consider area as for a small surface and the direction of the area vector is in the direction normal of to that surface. But for a large surface area we cannot consider it as a vector e.g. Earth.

• Sigh.­­­­­­­­­­ – evil999man Apr 12 '14 at 12:24

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