Photons in expanding space: how is energy conserved? [duplicate]

Question

If a photon (wave package) redshifts (stretches) travelling in our expanding universe, is its energy reduced?

If so, where does that energy go?

Answer 1

Since you say you're talking about what happens locally (in a small volume), I'll answer from that point of view. The usual formulation of energy conservation in such a volume is that energy is conserved in an inertial reference frame. In general relativity, there are no truly inertial frames, but in a sufficiently small volume, there are reference frames that are approximately inertial to any desired level of precision. If you restrict your attention to such a frame, there is no cosmological redshift. The photon's energy when it enters one side of the frame is the same as the energy when it exits the other side. So there's no problem with energy conservation.

The (apparent) failure of energy conservation arises only when you consider volumes that are too large to be encompassed by a single inertial reference frame.

To be slightly more precise, in some small volume $V=L^3$ of a generic expanding Universe, imagine constructing the best possible approximation to an inertial reference frame. In that frame, observers near one edge will be moving with respect to observers near the other edge, at a speed given by Hubble's Law (to leading order in $L$). That is, in such a frame, the observed redshift is an ordinary Doppler shift, which causes no problems with energy conservation.

If you want more detail, David Hogg and I wrote about this at considerable (perhaps even excessive!) length in an AJP paper.

Answer 2

It goes to make work to expand the universe against the forces of gravity and inertia. This is like adiabatically expanding volume of gas: the gas becomes cooler as the volume increases. Where the energy goes?

Answer 3

This answer was intended to stay in this question.

Conservation of the energy is (it used to be) a cornerstone in the physics framework. Without that anything can happen.

Let's see how energy can be conserved.

Galaxies are moving dragged by the space expansion. When atoms are in motion the doppler effect will shift the spectra of the emitted photons, as @anna answer showed in the link above.

The proton-to-electron mass ratio, $\frac{m_e}{m_p}$ has been measured constant along the history of the universe, but nothing can be said about the constancy of the electron's mass (to the downvoters: a reference is welcome).

The photon's energy obey the Sommerfeld relation, $E_{jn}=-m_e*f(j,n,\alpha,c)$, as seen here, and it is evident that a redshifted spectrum is obtained with a larger $m_e$.

The spectra lines are not only due to the Hydrogen atom; there are other spectral lines due to molecular interactions, due to electric/magnetic dipoles, etc, and so the electromagnetic interaction,the Coulomb's law, $F_{}=\frac{1}{4\cdot \pi\cdot \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{q1\cdot q2}{d^2}$ must be analyzed.

If we scale the mass $m_e$ by the relation $\alpha(t)$ (not related with the above fine structure constant), where $t$ is time (past), we should also scale the charge and the distance by the same factor, giving exactly the same value $F_{}=\frac{1}{4\cdot \pi\cdot \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{q_1\cdot q_2\cdot \alpha^ 2(t)}{d^2\cdot \alpha^2(t)}$. Thus the system with and without the transformation behaves in the same manner. The same procedure shows that the universal gravitational law is also insensitive to the scaling of the atom. This should not be a complete surprise because the scaling of masses, charges, time units and distances is routinely used on computer simulations that mimic the universe in a consistent way.

The conclusion is that there is no way to distinguish between the spectrum of an atom in motion and the one of a scaled atom.

The photons that were emitted by a larger atom in the past are received now without any change in its wavelength and, thus, with energy conservation.

The mainstream viewpoint not being aware that scaling the atom gave the same observational results, adopted the receding interpretation long time ago. As a consequence the models derived from that interpretation (BB, Inflation, DE, DM, ) do not obey the general laws of the universe, namely the energy conservation principle.

My viewpoint offers a cause for the space expansion. You can think about that, unless you are comfortable with: 'space expands', period, without a known cause.

Physics is about causes and whys, backed by proper references. I used the most basic laws to show that another viewpoint is inscribed in the laws of nature. I've only used Basic laws that do not need to be peer-reviewed as they are mainstream physics.

When I graduated as electronic engineer, long time ago, I accepted naively that the fields (electrostatic and gravitational) are sourced by the particles, and expand at $c$ speed, without being drained. But now, older but not senile, I assume without exception, that in the universe there are no 'free lunches' and thus the energy must be transferred from the particles (shrinking) to the fields (growing).

This new viewpoint is formalized and compared to the $\Lambda CDM$ model in a rigourous document, with the derivation of the scale relation $\alpha(t)$ that corresponds to the universe's evolution, at:
A self-similar model of the Universe unveils the nature of dark energy
preceded by older documents at arxiv:
Cosmological Principle and Relativity - Part I
A relativistic time variation of matter/space fits both local and cosmic data

Ps: Can someone provide a way to distinguish between the spectrum of an atom in motion and the one of a scaled atom ? (maybe probing the atom's nucleus and find the isotope ratio's abundance (D/H evolution and others) as Mr Webb has done)