# Can a third type of electrical charge exist?

Upon reading my book on physics, it mentions that there are only two discovered types of electric charges. I wonder if there could be a third type of elusive charge, and what type of effects could it have upon matter or similarly?

• I hope that answers don't only discuss how current theories are only consistent with two types of charges, but also how our theories would need to change in order to allow a third type of charge.
– BMS
Aug 26, 2014 at 21:11
• @BMS : formally there is only one type of charge. The sign of charge isn't important. Aug 26, 2014 at 21:39
• Comment to the question (v1): It seems that the question should only be answered by a brief No, standard E&M has only an one-dimensional real axis of possible electric charges (which includes positive and negative electric charges and ignoring magnetic monopoles). Any attempt to justify standard E&M will likely fall short of an actual proof of uniqueness. Any discourse into non-standard E&M is likely off-topic or too broad: For starters, there are Yang-Mills-type theories. Aug 27, 2014 at 19:56
• @Qmechanic I am trying to understand your comment: given objects $A,B,C$. if $A$ attract $B$, and $B$ attract $C$, and if we make up a toy model about "two-dimensional real axises of possible electric charges", then, under that model, $A$ does not have to repel $C$? May 5, 2018 at 12:23

No, there are only positive and negative charges. Or, more carefully stated, if there is a another type of charge, then electromagnetism is not what we are currently thinking it is.1

Electromagnetism is a $\mathrm{U}(1)$-gauge theory, which relies on introducing the covariant derivative

$$D_\mu = \partial_\mu - \frac{e}{\hbar}A_\mu$$

acting upon matter fields in representations of the $\mathrm{U}(1)$ labeled by $e$, where $A_\mu$ corresponds to the four-vector potential of electrodynamics. There is no possibility for matter fields to gain any other kind of charge here, since all representations of the circle group decompose into these one-dimensional representations of charge $e$, so charge is simply an integer $e \in \mathbb{Z}$. (The $\mathbb{Z}$ and not $\mathbb{R}$ come from the fact that $\mathrm{U}(1)$ is compact)

If there were other charges, we would need another (non-abelian, Lie) gauge group $G$ with some $\mathrm{Lie}(G)$-valued "potential" $A$ and a covariant derivative looking like

$$D_\mu = \partial_\mu - \frac{g}{\hbar}\rho(A_\mu)$$

where now $\rho$ is some (irreducible) representation of $G$ and the $g \in \mathbb{R}$ is called the coupling constant. The charges lie within the representations and are usually thought of as the (root of the) eigenvalue of the quadratic Casimir operator in that representation.

Since $\mathrm{U}(1)$ has only one generator, its Casimir is simply that generator (squared), and we reconcile this with the above has observing that the representations of the circle group are indeed given by sending its generator to its $e$-multiple as per

$$\rho_e : \mathrm{U}(1) \to \mathrm{GL}(\mathbb{R}) \cong \mathbb{R}, \mathrm{i} \mapsto e\mathrm{i} \text{ with } e \in \mathbb{Z}$$

Note on QCD (where the idea of "other electric charges" probably came from): The specific occurence of things like "colors" is not quite compatible with this language, as one usually identifies each dimension of a non-trivial representation with a color, but since irreducible representations have not subrepresentations, a gauge transformation will change the colors around (it won't change the quadratic Casimirs, which is why they are the proper generalization of charge, and not the colors). Nevertheless, also under this idea of charge, $\mathrm{U}(1)$ theories have only positive/negative charges, as their irreps are one-dimensional.

1 Looking at the real world, we know that electromagnetism must be a $\mathrm{U}(1)$ theory, since photon do not interact easily - they do not couple to one another on the tree-level of the quantum theory, and thus two laser beams do not significantly scatter off each other. In non-Abelian theories, the force carriers (gluons) do interact on the tree-level, and would thus deliver a wholly different force, more like the strong force, not long-range, and gluon beams would either not exist, or be very weird things. (though the details would be probably tricky for arbitrary $G$, granted, and could produced other weirdness as well)

• If $e$ is necessarily an integer, then how do the fractional quark charges come about? Nov 25, 2014 at 23:40
• @PhotonicBoom: Choose $e = 1$ to be the quark charge, nothing here says that $e = 1$ must be the electron charge. There's also the possibility to use a different $g$ for different particles, since, comparing with the more general formula for the cov. derivative, I set $g = 1$ for the EM constant. Essentially, there's nothing fractional about the quark charge except our predisposition to take the electron charge as fundamental charge unit (which has no theoretical basis compared to the quark charge) Nov 26, 2014 at 7:10

In the Standard Model, electric charge $Q$ is actually part weak hypercharge $Y_W$ and part weak isospin $T_3$

$$Q = T_3 + \frac{Y_W}{2}$$

which can be either positive, zero (electrically neutral), or negative.

In this framework, that's it.

If, in fact, there is another type of electric charge (and its associated anti-charge), I believe it would be the case that the there would need to be three types of photons which would themselves be electrically charged and, thus, interact with each other.

This is in analogy with weak isospin where the three weak 'photons' ($W^+, W^0, W^-$) are isospin charged.

This would, of course change everything. But, we see only one type of photon and it is electrically neutral.

• Is there a simple way to understand how three types of "charge" require three force-mediating bosons?
– BMS
Aug 26, 2014 at 21:13
• Out of curiosity, is the $W^0$ the same as the $Z^0$ boson? Aug 26, 2014 at 21:14
• @BMS, three types of charge, e.g., red, green, blue (plus the anti-charges), requires 8 gauge bosons. Two types of charge, e.g., up, down (plus the anti-charges) requires 3 gauge bosons. Aug 26, 2014 at 21:19
• @HDE226868, the $Z^0$ is a certain mixture of the $W^0$ and $B^0$ bosons. $Z^0 = \cos (\theta_W) W^0 - \sin (\theta_W) B^0$ Aug 26, 2014 at 21:25
• @BMS, I'll work on a simple explanation for why an additional electric charge variety (and associated anti-charge) would imply three charged photons later but it's time to feed the horses. Aug 26, 2014 at 21:27

Mathematically, electric charge current 4-vector conservation refers to the invariance of theory under U(1) transformations, so there aren't different types of electric charge (like in SU(n) theories) excepting the usual plus-minus.

Moreover, the fact of conservation of physical quantity means that corresponding operator commutes with hamiltonian which is constructed from fields operator. It's not hard to show that particle must have charge which is opposite to the antiparticle one.

Empirically, that is in Nature, we find only two electrical charges and this is taken into account by our best theory of electromagnetism: QED

This is a quantised theory of a gauge theory with gauge group $$U(1)$$. There is only one such gauge group here and this is the $$U(1)$$ in the standard model.

But what happens if there are more than one gauge groups? Then arguably we have more electrical charges. This naturally occurs in String theory, which is a speculative theory of quantum gravity that originally arose from the dual resonance models of the strong force. It is equivalent to super-gravity in certain low energy limits. Melanie Becker writes:

The $$N=8$$ supergravity theory in five dimensions contains a number of 1-form and 2-form gauge fiekds. However, by duality transformations the 2-forms can be replaced by 1-forms. Once this is done, the resulting theory contains 27 $$U(1)$$ gauge fields. Furthermore, the theory has a non-compact $$E_6,6$$ global U-duality symmetry. The 27 U(1) s belong to the fundamental 27 representation of this group.

Therefore a charged black hole in this theory can carry up to 27 different types of electrical charges. Some of these electrical charges can be realised by wrapping branes and Kaluza-Klien excitations.