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This is the question-

Consider a cylinder of mass $M$ resting on a rough horizontal rug that is pulled out from under it with acceleration $a$ perpendicular to the axis of the cylinder. What is $F$ (friction) at a point P? It is assumed that the cylinder does not slip.

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Options-

A) $F = M g$

B) $F = M a$

C) $F = \frac{M}{2} a $

D) $F = \frac{M}{3} a $

My attempt-

Since rolling is nothing but rotation about the point of contact (P in this case), according to me P should be at relative rest, therefore $F=Ma$. This should have been a short and crisp question, help me out please answer given is $F=\frac{M}{3} a$, and if you can perhaps please point me out to articles for such rolling friction question, I get stumbled whenever they ask friction in rolling. Thanks in advance..

Edit- This idea also came to my mind- Moment of inertia for a solid cylinder= I = $\frac{MR^2}{2}$

Let the frictional force be F, then,

$F*R=(torque)=I*\alpha$

$F*R=\frac{(M*R^2)*(a)}{2R}$ (as the cylinder is in pure rolling)

therefore- $F=\frac{Ma}{2}$

which is again incorrect any pointers to where I went wrong here again would be appreciated.. thanks

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  • $\begingroup$ Welcome to Physics.SE! Please refer to the help section for tips on how to post a good homework-like question. $\endgroup$ – Jim May 23 '14 at 13:49
  • $\begingroup$ @Jim saw that, and tried to follow it perhaps you could guide as to what I lacked... $\endgroup$ – Kaustubh May 23 '14 at 13:50
  • $\begingroup$ Well, asking for general references on rolling friction is definitely a good addition and will probably make people be more inclined to help. However, the general question needs to show some effort on your part (which it does) AND be about a physics concept. Some idea you need help understanding. Questions asking us to solve a homework problem or do some math question will most likely be closed. Additionally, so of the less enthusiastic members tend to look at a question and if it looks at first glance like you've just copy and pasted a question from a textbook, they'll close it $\endgroup$ – Jim May 23 '14 at 13:55
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    $\begingroup$ There are some useful notes on rolling here: physics.ohio-state.edu/~gan/teaching/spring99/C12.pdf which has an example of a ball rolling down a slope which is closely related to your problem. $\endgroup$ – nivag May 23 '14 at 15:52
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The job of the friction is to enforce the no slip constraint. So let us find the relative acceleration of the two parts and find the force $F$ which makes it zero.

The cylinder EOM are (positive is to the left) $ F = m \dot{v} $ and $r F = I \dot{\omega}$ and the tangential cylinder acceleration at P is $\dot{v}_P = \dot{v} + r \dot{\omega}$

To make the tangential acceleration equal to the rug you have

$$ a = \dot{v}_P = \frac{F}{m} + \frac{r^2 F}{I} \\ F = \left(\frac{1}{m} + \frac{r^2}{I}\right)^{-1} a $$

where the part in the parenthesis is the effective mass of a rolling cylinder on its surface. For a solid cylinder the mass moment of inertia is $I=\frac{m}{2} r^2$ and thus

$$ F = \left(\frac{1}{m} + \frac{2}{m}\right)^{-1} a = \frac{m}{3} a$$

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  • $\begingroup$ Got it, thanks a lot, anyway what does 'EOM' stand for... $\endgroup$ – Kaustubh May 23 '14 at 16:03
  • $\begingroup$ "Equations of Motion" $\endgroup$ – ja72 May 23 '14 at 17:30

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