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I learned in my undergraduate physics class that atoms have magnetic fields produced by the orbit of electrons and the spin of electrons. I understand how an orbit can induce a magnetic field because a charge moving in a circle is the same as a loop of current.

What I do not understand is how a spinning ball of charge can produce a magnetic field. Can someone explain how spin works, preferably in a way I can understand?

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    $\begingroup$ I think everyone missed the point of this question. I think the more important thing is if electron spin can produce a magnetic field just as its alleged classical analogue (a spherical shell charge distribution) $\endgroup$ – user76187 Mar 25 '15 at 8:02
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An electron is not a spinning ball of charge and the intrinsic spin of particles cannot be understood in such terms. Not only is it difficult to make sense of what it means for a pointlike particle to spin, but also when treating the electron as a spinning ball of charge one finds a value of the ratio between the magnetic moment and the angular momentum that is a factor $2$ too small.

To understand why a rotating charged ball generates a magnetic field, note that every charge on the ball will move in a circle, so there is in fact a current, and that current will generate a magnetic field.

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  • $\begingroup$ I see. A point in space does not have a direction. That is why scientists assign some arbitrary vector like the dipole moment. $\endgroup$ – Tad May 6 '14 at 21:40
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    $\begingroup$ The dipole moment is not arbitrary, it is a measurable quantity. $\endgroup$ – Robin Ekman May 6 '14 at 21:44
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    $\begingroup$ Ok it's not a spinning ball how then is is the fine structure constant described relative to your answer ? and are there TWO relative motions , one being the wave particle probability wave of where you might find the electron , and the other is the angular momentum? Does the relative motion of the probability wave of the electron produce a magnetic field? and the magnetic moment is in addition to? or is the magnetic moment the field produced by the relative motion ? $\endgroup$ – Sedumjoy Aug 23 '17 at 3:48
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There is no classical analogue to visualise what spin is. We found out from experiments that particles have an intrinsic property which we named spin which produces a magnetic moment. You cannot visualise it since fundamental particles are zero-dimensional points in space so the term "spinning around its axis" makes no physical sense.

Its a strictly observational effect which fits well with our mathematical models and explains a great range of phenomena in nature.

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  • $\begingroup$ So a stationary electron still has two magnetic poles? $\endgroup$ – Cees Timmerman Jan 10 '18 at 17:16
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    $\begingroup$ This answer doesn't address the questions raised by the OP. $\endgroup$ – thermomagnetic condensed boson May 16 '18 at 5:37
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Another way to visualize electron spin is to consider the "Dirac Electron"

Dirac's one equation for a massive particle can be rewritten as two equations for two interacting massless particles, where the coupling constant of the interaction is the mass of the electron.

We can follow these rules and visualize a current loop capturing an orthogonal magnetic field. This way you can represent both electrons and anti-electrons as left or right handed particles. These particles can also exist as either up or down state relative to its environment.

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These coupled spinors spin orthogonal to themselves. From the direction of spin, you can see there is no way to push the electron and anti-electron together without destroying them.

Also note, turning the inner (blue) loop 360 degrees, only turns the larger (red) loop 180 degrees leaving it upside down. You must turn another 360 degrees (720 total) before it is right side up.

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  • $\begingroup$ Could you please draw a bigger version of the diagrams - I am finding it hard to see what they are saying. Also, you need to emphasise that they are only a geometrical analogy for the Dirac equation - but even so, I am sure there is a helpful answer there with a bit more description. $\endgroup$ – WetSavannaAnimal Oct 18 '14 at 9:30
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Electrons don't spin. It is just what they decided to call a certain intrinsic property. They could of called it the X factor or magnetic factor but they called it spin for some reason

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    $\begingroup$ IMO you also need to say that this property, when added to a particle's orbital angular momentum and summed over a closed system of particles, heeds the law of conservation of angular momentun. So, although I think your point that "don't get too hung up on the classical analogy" is an excellent one, things are not quite as arbitrary as one might read this answer. $\endgroup$ – WetSavannaAnimal Oct 18 '14 at 9:38
  • $\begingroup$ This answer doesn't address the questions raised by the OP. $\endgroup$ – thermomagnetic condensed boson May 16 '18 at 5:38
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It can be proven that nothing "rotates" in an electron. Its spin angular momentum $\hbar/2$ is completely included in its electromagnetic field with the assumption that the "dressed" electrons magnetic flux is precisely on flux quantum (fluxon) $\Phi_{0} = h / 2 e$. Generally, if a charge q is immersed in a magnetic field of flux $\Phi$, a "hidden" canonical electromagnetic angular momentum $L = q \Phi/ 2 \pi$ is generated. Substitute $q = e$ and $\Phi = \Phi_{0}$ and you will get $L = \hbar/2$.

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Lets take the rotating "spherical ball" analogy seriously (actually a torus below).

The electron is modeled as a tiny stationnary torus rotating at an angular velocity $\omega$ around the symmetry axis passing through its center of mass. The material on the torus is moving at velocity $v = \omega \, r \le c$. The classical spin angular momentum is then $S = r \, p$ where $p = \gamma \, m_0 v$ is the linear momentum of the rotating material on the torus. $\gamma = 1/\sqrt{1 - v^2 /c^2}$ is the relativistic factor. You get the spin angular momentum \begin{equation}\tag{1} S = \frac{m_0 \, \omega \, r^2}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{\omega^2 r^2}{c^2}}}. \end{equation} Now, lets take the limit $r \rightarrow 0$ (spinning point-like electron, or a dot spinning on itself!). Is it possible to apply that limit in such a way that equ(1) above gives some constant ? Of course, the trivial solution is $S = 0$ is we consider $\omega$ as an independent variable. But there's also a non-trivial solution if we also take the limit $\omega \rightarrow \infty$ in such a way as $v = \omega \, r \rightarrow c$ (so the relativistic factor goes to infinity). Considering $S$ as a non-trivial constant, you get the spinning angular velocity as a function of the torus radius : \begin{align} \omega &= \frac{S/m_0}{r \, \sqrt{r^2 + (S / m_0 c)^2}}, \tag{2} \\[12pt] v &= \omega \, r = \frac{S/m_0}{r^2 + (S / m_0 c)^2}. \tag{3} \end{align} The limit $r \rightarrow 0$ then gives $\omega \rightarrow \infty$, $v \rightarrow c$ (and $\gamma \rightarrow \infty$), and $S$ a non-trivial constant !

This is the same kind of non-trivial relativistic solution that you get for a massless particle : $m_0 \rightarrow 0$, using the energy and linear momentum : \begin{align} E &= \gamma \, m_0 c^2, \tag{4} \\[12pt] p &= \gamma \, m_0 v, \tag{5} \\[12pt] v &\equiv \frac{p \, c^2}{E}, \tag{6} \\[12pt] E^2 &= p^2 c^2 + m_0^2 \, c^4. \tag{7} \end{align} The limit $m_0 \rightarrow 0$ trivially gives $E = 0$ and $p = 0$ (so the massless particle doesn't exists!). But you also have the non-trivial solution $m_0 \rightarrow 0$ and $v \rightarrow c$ such that $\gamma \, m_0$ remains finite and $E = p \, c$ is a finite non-trivial constant.

According to the torus model above (or a sphere, or any other shape), we can model an electron as a small ring of charges rotating in such a way that it produces a magnetic field, even under the limit $r \rightarrow 0$ (spinning dot model!). This is possible because of relativity (i.e. the gamma factor).

The ring model above has a fatal defect : total energy $E = \gamma \, m_0 c^2$ diverges, if $m_0$ is a simple constant, while $\gamma \rightarrow \infty$! For the torus, we would like to get $E = \gamma \, m_0 c^2 = m_e c^2$ (a finite non-trivial constant) for a tiny torus. This imposes \begin{equation}\tag{8} S = \gamma \, m_0 \, \omega \, r^2 \equiv m_e \omega \, r^2. \end{equation} Keeping $S$ a constant implies \begin{align} \omega &= \frac{S/m_e}{r^2}, \tag{9} \\[12pt] v = \omega \, r &= \frac{S}{m_e \, r}. \tag{10} \end{align} The minimum radius cannot be 0 : \begin{equation}\tag{11} r_{\text{min}} = \frac{S}{m_e c} = \frac{\hbar}{2 m_e c}, \end{equation} which is about the Compton length. Under this limit (i.e. $r \rightarrow r_{\text{min}}$), we get $v \rightarrow c$, $\gamma \rightarrow \infty$, $m_0 \rightarrow 0$, while $E \rightarrow m_e c^2$ and $S = \frac{\hbar}{2}$. According to this rotating massless ring model, the electron cannot be turned into a point particle.

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I really like the explanation on or about 29:30 of this older video. He causes the electrons to start spinning around the torus with the magnet, trapping the magnetic field lines orthogonal to the spinning electrons.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFdq6IecUJc#t=1729

In his words "As the magnet is removed, the magnetic flux remains trapped within the tin ring. The trapped magnetic flux induces a current flow around the ring. The current flow causes the tin ring to act as a magnet. The magnetic property of the ring has been observed to persist for months at a time forcing the conclusion that there is no resistance to the current flow."

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  • $\begingroup$ Room temperature superconductors, they're the holy grail, are you quite certain? Does this answer the question? $\endgroup$ – 011358 smell May 7 '14 at 14:58
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    $\begingroup$ This example is tin and is made superconducting in liquid helium. A spinning ball can have a magnetic field in the same way a spinning loop or torus does. The current loop is orthogonal to the induced magnetic field. For example, current loops inside the earth induce a magnetic field in and around earth with a north and a south pole. $\endgroup$ – AnimatedPhysics May 7 '14 at 18:39
  • $\begingroup$ sorry, I commented without having watched the clip. $\endgroup$ – 011358 smell May 7 '14 at 22:52
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Electron is not like a ball, as it has no volume at all. So it can not spin like a ball. Magnetic moment comes "as is" from quantum mechanics, which do not explain its nature.

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  • $\begingroup$ This answer might be better if you could expand final sentence a bit more. $\endgroup$ – Kyle Kanos Dec 1 '14 at 17:25
  • $\begingroup$ This answer doesn't address the questions raised by the OP. $\endgroup$ – thermomagnetic condensed boson May 16 '18 at 5:41

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