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Assuming only Newtonian gravity, suppose that the universe consists of an infinite number of uniform planets, uniformly distributed in a two-dimensional grid infinite in both directions and not moving relative to each other.

Is there any reason to believe that this is not an equilibrium state? A friend of mine who knows much more applied maths than me assures me that this system is not in equilibrium, but I'm unable to find any evidence for this.

I want to be able to say that the net force on each planet in the grid is zero. We approach this by summing the forces exerted on a planet P by each other planet over the whole space, but note that we can pair off the other planets that exert equal and opposite forces on P to show that the total sums to zero.

Am I going mad?

For bonus points, presumably the same result holds for any number of dimensions to the grid.

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    $\begingroup$ It's certainly unstable. The slightest perturbation destroys your system. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 13, 2011 at 12:50
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    $\begingroup$ Wouldn't an unstable equilibrium still be called an equilibrium? $\endgroup$
    – Colin K
    Commented Jun 13, 2011 at 13:50
  • $\begingroup$ I realise that equilibrium would be unstable. I still don't think anything will move without some other perturbation. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 13, 2011 at 14:19
  • $\begingroup$ More on infinite grid of point masses: physics.stackexchange.com/q/2196/2451 $\endgroup$
    – Qmechanic
    Commented Jan 12, 2013 at 21:58

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In order to say that a configuration is in an equilibrium state, you need to say that the net force acting on each planet is zero. However, in order to define net force (if you're a mathematician), you need to choose and justify a rule for regularizing a sum that is not absolutely convergent. The rule that you seem to have chosen takes a limit over concentric balls centered at the planet in question. This method gives a convenient answer of zero net force.

You might ask why this is preferable to some other regularization method. For example, if you chose a limit over increasingly large ellipsoids of equal eccentricity, for which one focus is the planet in question, and the other focus moved away in a certain direction in the plane, you'd get an attractive force in that direction. This is a valid summation method, in the sense that the contributions from all of the planets are eventually considered when computing the net force on a planet.

One advantage of the spherical regularization over the ellipsoidal method is that it is invariant under rigid motions, and in fact any regularization method that is invariant under reflections or rotations will give you an answer of zero. This makes the equilibrium an aesthetically natural answer, but that doesn't necessarily mean it gives the correct answer. In particular, I think the setup is sufficiently separated from realistic physical situations that a preference for symmetry doesn't justify a regularization, so I'd say that this question does not have a well-defined answer (but physicists might disagree).

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  • $\begingroup$ indeed, if one takes finite sized balls (containing finite number of particles) it's clear that no equilibrium exists, even upon taking the limit. $\endgroup$
    – genneth
    Commented Jun 15, 2011 at 13:31
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This is a very subtle limit of general relativity in which the evaluation of indefinite forms becomes important.

First, note that because of the uniform matter density, the gravitational potential won't be well-behaved. It would have to satisfy $$\Delta \Phi \sim \rho_{\rm planets} $$ but because the right hand side is uniform (at distances longer than the grid spacing), you would need something like $$\Delta = C\vec x\cdot \vec x$$ That's bad because the gravitational potential clearly goes to infinity at infinity and there's only one place at which the gravitational potential is stationary. All other planets would feel force. However, you may also ignore the gravitational potential and consider its gradient only. Equivalently, you may add a Newtonian "cosmological constant term" by $$\Delta \Phi \sim \rho_{\rm planets} -\rho_0 $$ Here, the cosmological constant term $\rho_0$ may be chosen to cancel the average value of $\rho_{\rm planets}$. This extra addition of $\rho_0$ wouldn't affect the accelerations and forces because it's completely uniform.

So if you insist on the standard formulae for the gravitational potential and you ban any kind of cosmological constant, this setup can't be in equilibrium. However, if you allow a constant vacuum energy to be added and to subtract the average density coming from the planetary grid, you may get a stationary state similar to a non-relativistic version of the Einstein static Universe that Einstein wanted to believe in general relativity (which was proved wrong when the expansion of the Universe was observed by Hubble).

Just like the Einstein static universe, this uniform configuration of matter is unstable. A small deviation will start to destroy the grid and make the planets clump, converting a part of their potential energy to kinetic energy and chaotic motion.

By the way, if you didn't want to use the gravitational potential at all, you could just compute the accelerations. Your reasoning - ending up with an "equilibrium" answer - is based on symmetry. The acceleration from the other planets is proportional to the integral $$ \int \frac{\vec r}{r^3} r^2 dr $$ written in the spherical coordinates. By symmetry, you could argue that it vanishes as the integrand is an odd function. However, that's only true around an origin that has to be chosen differently for each planet-probe. If you shift the center of the spherical coordinates, you will inevitably get a different result. This problem is mathematically isomorphic to the "anomalies" that arise from linear divergences in quantum field theory. In some sense, the theory is ill-defined with your planetary grid.

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  • $\begingroup$ I can only really answer your last point here: if I understand you correctly, the integrand being an odd function means that the force on each planet is zero, but shifting the centre of the spherical coordinates to get a non-zero result is fine. This amounts to saying that the gravitation force at those points is non-zero, but there's no mass on which to act at those points so that's fine. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 14, 2011 at 9:13
  • $\begingroup$ the gravitational potential stuff, would you consider that to be a part of Newtonian mechanics? I'm willing to write off all of my assumptions as soon as we talk about general relativity, simply because I don't understand enough to have any intuition about what's going on. Does any of what you say show ill-defined-ness or non-equilibruim in a purely Newtonian/Euclidean setup? $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 14, 2011 at 12:07
  • $\begingroup$ @Joe: Classically, the problem is that you're trying to used potentials, and forgetting that potentials measure differences, so if you want to compare two potentials you need to make sure they match up at infinity. With a finite number of charges/masses, this is easy (potential goes to zero at infinity), but here that's not true, so you need to be more careful about order of taking limits. As Luboš says, this is an example of QFT anomaly in classical mechanics (which is something I hadn't connected before!). $\endgroup$
    – genneth
    Commented Jun 15, 2011 at 13:29
  • $\begingroup$ I wouldn't quite say that GR is necessary for this discussion? As Scott shows below, this already manifests at a classical level as seen by taking limits carefully. $\endgroup$
    – genneth
    Commented Jun 15, 2011 at 13:32
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Well, the main question about a 2D grid in a 3+1 dimensional space-time has already been answered by Lubos Motl and Scott Carnahan with the main conclusion that both the potential sum and the force sum are not absolutely convergent, and therefore not mathematically well-posed.

Concerning the bonus question about a grid of dimension $d$, clearly a 3D grid would only make things worse, which leaves us with a 1D grid, say, a single row of planets along the $x$-axis at position $x\in a\mathbb{Z}$, where $a$ is the grid size. The corresponding potential sum is logarithmically divergent, but the force sum is actually absolutely convergent, so here the calculation makes rigorous sense. If we call the unit-vector in the $x$-direction for $\hat{x}$, then the gravitational force on the planet $P$ at $\vec{r}=\vec{0}$ is

$$\vec{F}~=~\frac{Gm^2}{a^2}\hat{x}\sum_{n\in\mathbb{Z}\backslash\{0\}}\frac{n}{|n|^3}~=~\vec{0},$$

which is zero by $n\leftrightarrow -n$ symmetry, as expected.

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