Living polymers are well described by equilibrium statistical physics. Now I would like to consider a case were living polymers undergo fragmentation due to chaperones. I can think of a kinetic description, but can I still use equilibrium statistical mechanics?

Edit : I'd like to make the question a bit more general. Here are my interrogations:

When there is no chaperone activity, i.e. polymers polymerize and de polymerize freely, I am comfortable with equilibrium statistical mechanics because I can define a free energy, accounting for polymer binding energy, and entropy. See for example the Flory-Huggins theory. When it turns to chaperone activity, it seems to me obvious that non equilibrium physics is adapted to this case : it looks like a dynamical system, and I don't see how to define an energy in the context of equilibrium stat mech.

In an other hand, for the former case (no chaperone), I can also think of a kinetic model, with association and dissociation rates, leading, at equilibrium, to the same result as equilibrium physics.

So, what is fundamentally different between the two cases? Why one can be described by equilibrium physics, while the other can't (assuming it can't, that was actually my first question). In the case with chaperone activity, I see that energy is spent to break each polymer. In the dynamic description, this is not a problem, as long as we can define reaction rates, but if one wants to use equilibrium description, I think the crucial (and difficult) point is to consider this energy used by chaperones.

Thanks for any comment that could make me understand a bit more the boundaries between equilibrium and non equilibrium systems

Edit 2

After some reflections, I think I got what's make the difference. With chaperone activities, at time +infinite, you expect an equilibrium state, with a polymer size distribution. But this equilibrium is intrinsically dynamic : energy is continuously provided by the chaperones, breaking the polymers. This input of energy is clearly not described by equilibrium stat mech (see micro-canonical, canonical, grand canonical ensembles)

Any comment, reading suggestion is more than welcomed.

  • $\begingroup$ I think I got the idea. Still I would like not to delete the question, as an opportunity to discuss the subject, maybe in a deeper way $\endgroup$ – J-D Apr 10 '14 at 12:54
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    $\begingroup$ When you say "living polymers", do you refer to living polymerisation (a purely chemical phenomenon) or to biopolymers? I'm confused because the reference to equilibrium makes it sound like you're talking about the former, but chaperones are proteins that affect the folding of biopolymers. Or is this another sense of "chaperone" that you're talking about? $\endgroup$ – Nathaniel Jan 4 '15 at 4:02
  • $\begingroup$ General tip: Let's not have posts look like revision histories! $\endgroup$ – Qmechanic Dec 21 '18 at 13:16

I'm not sure whether I understood your actual question correctly. But in my opinion chaperones, in the context of statistical mechanics, can act in two ways. 1) They act as a catalyst, i.e. they merely assure that the minimum in free energy is found fast enough.

2) They can keep the polymer in a steady state. The polymer system without the chaperones is not closed. The interaction with the chaperone system may favour one of the possible states of polymer. If this interaction is strong enough, it can keep the polymer in or near this state even if this is not the equilibrium state.

I don't know much about chaperones but I would expect most of their action to be of the first type.

  • $\begingroup$ I want to talk about the activity of polymer breaking by an external agent. See for exemple the hsp104 in this link. nature.com/nrm/journal/v14/n10/fig_tab/nrm3660_F6.html I am aware the term chaperone is not so adapted. I am not a biologist, what term would you suggest? But this is not so important to me, as my goal is to model polymer breakage. Not thermal breakage, but the one induced by those "chaperone" or whatever they are termed. $\endgroup$ – J-D Apr 10 '14 at 15:19
  • $\begingroup$ In that case it's more type 2), ie hsp104 is keeping the system away from its (aggregated) equilibrium state by actively breaking up this state. Modelling that interaction in molecular terms won't be feasible. In terms of a crude model one could think of representing the hsp by a stochastic force acting on polymer aggregates but not on the polymers itself. Hmmm, ok, that doesn't sound too helpful. Sorry, I don't know enough about that stuff. :-) $\endgroup$ – taupunkt Apr 10 '14 at 18:17
  • $\begingroup$ What do you mean by "acting on polymer aggregates but not on the polymers itself"? $\endgroup$ – J-D Apr 10 '14 at 18:26
  • $\begingroup$ hsp104 disrupts aggregates of proteins (amyloid fibres) but it doesn't disrupt proteins. $\endgroup$ – taupunkt Apr 10 '14 at 18:40
  • $\begingroup$ Ok, if you have more to say about this stochastic force, let me know :) In particular in how this description would differ from kinetic models with reaction rates $\endgroup$ – J-D Apr 10 '14 at 19:20

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