Okay, so everywhere I've read, I hear the main difference is the requirement of a medium. But for example, if you take the case of heat 'radiating' from a red-hot iron, isn't that actually convection and not radiation? I mean, isn't the temperature difference between the surrounding air and the iron causing the air to gain heat?
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1$\begingroup$ Good answers. Radiative heat transfer uses light, basically. It's how the sun heats us. Then there's conduction - put something hot in contact with something less hot, and heat flow from one to the other. Convection is just a case of conduction, where the one of the things is a fluid that can expand and then rise by gravity, so it carries heat away. Think hot-air balloon, or thunderstorm. $\endgroup$– Mike DunlaveyCommented Mar 30, 2012 at 21:19
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1$\begingroup$ And note: normally, all 3 forms of heat transfer are occurring at the same time. $\endgroup$– David WhiteCommented Sep 29, 2019 at 2:36
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$\begingroup$ Related:physics.stackexchange.com/q/24489/226902, physics.stackexchange.com/q/62423/226902 and links therein. $\endgroup$– QuilloCommented Mar 28, 2023 at 10:41
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To pretty much everything you stated in your question, "no".
That convection requires a medium is not the main difference, it is simply the most obvious aspect of what is a fundamentally different mechanism for transferring energy. Convection is the transfer of energy by movement of a medium, whereas radiation is the transfer of energy by, well, thermal radiation. Conduction also requires a medium, but, again, it is a fundamentally different mechanism than either convection or radiation; in this case it is the transfer of energy through a medium.
Unfortunately, analogies are hard but if you can visualize the particles involved, it would help. Picture the red hot iron you mentioned. On a molecular level, the material is emitting lots and lots of photons (hence why it is glowing red). The creation of these photons takes energy; energy from the heat of the iron. These photons leave the iron, pass through the environment, and eventually collide with some other object where they are absorbed and deposit their energy. This is radiative heat transfer. If that energy is deposited on your retina or a CCD (like in a digital camera), an image forms over time. This is how infrared goggles work and they would work equally well in high vacuum as here on earth.
In conduction, the next simplest example, there is no generation of photons (physics nerds forgive me for the sake of simplicity). The individual atoms in the object are vibrating with heat energy. As each atom gains energy from its more energetic neighbors, so it gives up energy to its less energetic ones. Over time, the heat "travels" through the object.
In convection, the molecules of gas near the object gain energy, like in the conduction case, but those same molecules that gained energy then travel through the environment to some other location where they then give off their heat energy.
In summary:
- radiation = generated and absorbed photons
- conduction = molecules exciting their neighbors successively
- convection = molecules heated like in conduction, but then move to another location
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$\begingroup$ I think radiation should include more than just photons and a general definition of it should reflect this. I would say radiation is particle transport from one place to another that is not part of the bulk medium. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 30, 2012 at 19:22
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$\begingroup$ This is true, but how then would you differentiate between convection and radiation? It is the production and re absorption of particles that is the hallmark and, while not all of that radiation is via photons, the vast majority of it is. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 31, 2012 at 18:26
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$\begingroup$ I considered saying radiation doesn't move by diffusion but, no, that's wrong too. Photons are probably the "majority" (not sure about definition here) of radiation because they can be super high entropy, and blackbody radiation allows low energy photons to be the end-state of most matter-energy. Radiation also can't be defined by being "temporary". This is why I used "not part of the bulk medium", which is pretty dry but the most correct wording I can come up with. Does conduction happen is gas btw? Maybe it's not even "vibrational". Frustrating, but very good question. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 1, 2012 at 17:20
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$\begingroup$ Yes, conduction happens in gas, though to a lesser extent than in solids. Vibrational is not really accurate wording either, but it is about as good as you can get at this level of explanation. I took thermo in physics undergrad and several times in engineering grad school so my wording tends to skew toward the intuitive engineering side of things. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 2, 2012 at 12:25
I will try to explain in simple words.
Every body which has a temperature above 0 Kelvin gives out (ie. radiates) some heat in the form of waves. (So, even we radiate!) Of course, the amount of this radiation depends on the temperature, so the more the temperature of the body, the more heat it gives out. Now, since this heat energy travels in the form of waves, it does not necessarily require any medium to travel. So, it can travel in any/no medium.
I will try explaining convection using a simple example.
Consider a beaker of water being heated from the bottom. The water in the lower region gets heated up, becomes lighter in weight, and hence comes to the top. Now the (relatively) cooler region of water on the top comes down and begins to heat up. Now, again it gets heated up, and moves up when it becomes lighter than the (previously heated) water on the top, but this time getting more heated that the water on the top. This process continues, and eventually every molecule of water gets heated up.
As you can see, in this process, the motion of the particles lead to the heating of the whole body (water, in this case) - the warmer ones moved away from the source of heat to let the cooler ones collect the heat.
So, its clear that convection requires a medium (specifically, a non-solid medium). Unlike radiation, if there is no medium near the source, it cannot loose its heat simply using convection. (It can of course loose it via radiation.)
Lets comes to your heating of iron rod case.
What you said is partly correct, that convection is one of the modes of heat transfer here. But, so is radiation. Remember, that the iron rod is too hot as compared to the surrounding temperature and so it will radiate a lot of heat. In fact, the heat is so much that the rod glows bright red. (If you know a little about the EM spectrum, you would know that when the emission from a body also includes the visible spectrum, we can actually see (a part of) the emission spectrum.)
In reality, all 3 modes of heat transfer occur simultaneously.
(Even in the above beaker example, the water molecules, (along with convection) give out heat in the form of radiation as well, as they have a non-zero temperature. They also transfer heat by collisions to other water molecules, which is known as conduction. However, in that example, convection was the most dominant mode of heat transfer.)
If you wish to know the exact difference between these modes of transfer, you would perhaps need to take up intermediate-level engineering course.
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$\begingroup$ In your graphical examples, convection is hopelessly intermingled with the side effects of the fluid having weight, or otherwise interacting with a potential field. The heat rising and convective cells are not key properties of convection itself. Once the medium is not in a potential field (e.g. is weightless), they vanish, yet convection itself certainly doesn't! The word convection is, unfortunately, used to describe both the heat transfer mechanism and the motion of the fluid in a potential field in a temperature gradient. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 6, 2016 at 2:04
No. Light (as you can see --- it's red hot! --- and infrared light which you cannot see) leaves the metal surface and reaches your skin/thermometer directly, and would do so without air.
The answers already given explain the differences between the processes by which heat is transferred from one body to another but there are also differences in their relative importance in particular situations.
A central heating radiator does radiate heat but convection is a more important process once the air is heated and before that conduction through the metal of which the radiator is made is the dominant process.
At very low temperatures radiation is the dominant process because most substances are solids and are very poor conductors of heat.
At very high temperatures radiation is the dominant process
So temperature is a factor which can determine which process is the most important one.
Your red hot iron is a good example in that if you put your hand close to it you can "feel" the radiation and because the temperature of the iron is relatively high there will be a lot of radiation (mostly infra red) emitted from it but also there will be a loss due to convection.
To identify and then quantify which process is the most important is often very difficult.
After a light bulb has been on for a period of time the glass envelope gets hot but the processes by which it gets hot are quite complex.
Try the following.
Choose an accessible light bulb which has not been on for some time.
Hold your hands around the light bulb without actually touching it.
Switch on the bulb and then after a few seconds switch it off.
You will have felt the sensation of heat due to the radiation emitted by the heated filament but if you now touch the glass envelope it will still be cold.
So radiation is very important particularly as that is in part light but the majority of the energy transfer from the filament is in the infra red.
Conduction is easy to understand, when you heat a pan of water, you actually heat the external surface of the pan, which by conduction heats the internal part, and heat is transferred to the water, also by conduction.
Conduction is synonymous of transfer within the material or by contact with another material. Energy is transferred from atoms to other atoms.
Usually room heaters heat by convection, air circulates close to the heater surface which is hot, some heat is transferred by conduction (contact) to air. Then hot air molecules rise and heat other parts of the room, again by conduction.
Convection means the internal flow of a fluid is used to transfer heat. Atoms move and heat with them.
The last mode, radiation, is useful to transfer heat when conduction and convection are not possible, because there is no contact for conduction and no fluid for convection. This happens in space. E.g. how to eliminate heat constantly produced in the space station to the vacuum outside? Using radiators:
(Source: Youtube)
The white panels are not photovoltaic cells (the black panels are), they are radiators. Heat to be eliminated is carried by a convective coolant (ammonia) and circulated into the panel. Heat is transferred from the coolant to a panel by conduction. The panel radiates according to the black body model, in particular in the infrared spectrum. Energy radiated in IR leaves the station, the panel is cooled and with it the coolant and the station modules. This is the only way to reject heat in space.
You may wonder why the radiators are white and not black to increase emissivity. Actually they are emissive in the long IR spectrum, and reflective in the visible spectrum. This is because the radiators are exposed to solar rays. This is a way to limit solar absorbance.
Radiation means converting atoms energy (heat) into electromagnetic waves. No atoms in the wave.
The three methods of heat transfer, as explained in my 1941 textbook called *Modern Physics*, were as follows:
Conduction
Convection, and
Radiation.
Without going into details of the molecular theory of matter (and kinetic theory of gases) and the quantum theory of radiation, by which these three words have been analyzed since 1900 or so, let me say that the above list is about as true and illuminating as the following analogy would suggest:
Question: What are the three methods of transfer of bank deposits?
Answer:
Personal check
Cashier's check, and
Airmail.
The book could then go on to explain that personal checks are generally written in ink while cashier's checks are typed, and guaranteed by the bank. Other useful information might include the speed of airplanes and their tendency to crash from time to time, something not at all true of either sort of check.
I swear the analogy is a good one, though I will not otherwise explain the imbecility of the heat transfer listing. Nor will I attempt to trace the historical reasons for the 1941 appearance of precisely that list (it was not invented by the author of my textbook, you may be sure), though there are some.
--- Ralph Raimi, Vested Interests, pp 21-22