When a train zooms past us, we observe a clock at the rear end of the train ahead of a clock at the front of the train. I wonder if it implies that the clock at the rear end is ticking faster than the clock at the front. Or perhaps both clocks are tickling at the same rate. My intuition tells me that the former is true but I am not sure.
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1$\begingroup$ They are ticking at the same rate, but one is behind the other (from the ground-based perspective) $\endgroup$– RC_23Commented Oct 29 at 3:52
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3$\begingroup$ Note that the answers assume constant speed. If the train is accelerating or decelerating, then one clock ticks faster than the other. $\endgroup$– StenCommented Oct 29 at 5:25
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$\begingroup$ Related: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/659116/… $\endgroup$– AmitCommented Oct 29 at 5:45
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$\begingroup$ If the clocks were ticking at different rates, then over time the discrepancy between them would increase. That means that if you had, say, five identical trains pass you at the same speed, and each train had been running for a different amount of time, their front and rear clocks would all be out of synch by different amounts. $\endgroup$– Professor SushingCommented Oct 29 at 8:51
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$\begingroup$ Normally I see the front of the train before I see the rear of the train (unless it is going backwards). $\endgroup$– Jon CusterCommented Oct 29 at 12:13
3 Answers
Although you can work through the math in detail (see this answer), there's an quick way to see that the clock ticks at the same rate. The formula for time dilation is:
$$ \Delta t' = \gamma \Delta t$$
where $\gamma$ is the Lorentz factor:
$$\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}$$
Note this formula depends only on $v$ (the relative velocity between the two observers). Therefore, the question boils down to "are the clocks at the rear end of the train and the front end of the train travelling at the same speed?". It should be obvious that they are (since they're in the same train), and hence they show the same amount of time dilation.
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2$\begingroup$ Thanks. I haven't thought of that! So both clocks will tick at the same rate at all reference frames? $\endgroup$– weeab00Commented Oct 29 at 4:30
Don't conflate the Doppler effect with the Lorentz transformation.
If the train is half-way past you at the moment when you measure, then the clock at the front will be receding from you, while the clock at the rear is approaching you. The Doppler effect will cause your raw observation of the approaching clock's tick rate to be greater than your raw observation of the receding clock. But if you correct your observations to account for the Doppler effect, then you should conclude that both tick rates actually are the same, and both clocks will appear to tick more slowly than your own clock because of the Lorentz transformation.
Assume distance and time are measured in light seconds and seconds respectively so that $c=1$. Suppose the proper length of the train is $L=10$. Place yourself in an inertial frame where the train travels at $v=\frac35 c$ to the right. Coordinates of your inertial frame will be unprimed while coordinates of train's frame will be primed. Inside the train, at $t'=0$, a train conductor reports that clock readings of the train front (located at $x'=L$) and back (located at $x'=0$) are $t'_f=0$ and $t'_b=0$ respectively.
Now perform inverse Lorentz transforms:
$t_b=\gamma(t'_b+vx'_b)=\frac54\left(0+\frac35(0)\right)=0$
$x_b=\gamma(x'_b+vt'_b)=\frac54\left(0+\frac35(0)\right)=0$
$t_f=\gamma(t'_f+vx'_f)=\frac54\left(0+\frac3510\right)=\frac{15}{2}$
$x_f=\gamma(x'_f+vt'_f)=\frac54\left(10+\frac35(0)\right)=\frac{25}{2}$
Now at $t=0$ in your inertial frame, we have
$t_b=0$
$x_b=0$
$t_f=\frac{15}{2}-\frac{15}{2}=0$
$x_f=\frac{25}{2}-v\frac{15}{2}=\frac{25}{2}-\frac35\frac{15}{2}=8$
Then do Lorentz transform
$t_f'=\gamma(t_f-vx_f)=\frac54\left(0-\frac358\right)=-6$
So at $t=0$, we observe the clock reading of the back of the train is $t'_b=0$ and the clock reading of the front of the train $t_f'=-6$. The time difference is $\Delta t_0=t_f'-t_b'=-6-0=-6$.
Now at $t=\frac{15}{2}$, the coordinates of the back of the train are
$t_b=0+\frac{15}{2}=\frac{15}{2}$
$x_b=0+v\frac{15}{2}=\frac35\frac{15}{2}=\frac92$
Let's do Lorentz transforms once again
$t_b'=\gamma(t_b-vx_b)=\frac54\left(\frac{15}{2}-\frac35\frac92\right)=6$
Ok so at $t=\frac{15}{2}$, we observe the clock reading of the back of the train is $t'_b=6$ and the clock reading of the front of the train $t_f'=0$. The time difference is $\Delta t_1=t_f'-t_b'=0-6=-6$.
Conclusion: Your initial intuition is wrong. Since $\frac{\Delta t_1}{\Delta t_0}=1$, both clocks tick at the same rate.