Timeline for What is so special about the “wave function collapse”?
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| Oct 21, 2022 at 18:26 | comment | added | FlatterMann | @TobiasFünke That an individual measurement changes nothing about the wave function of the ensemble is a fact. It may not be the way you thought about it, so far, but that is exactly why we are trying to teach the facts on SE, so that everybody can think about them and develop working mental models. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 10:04 | comment | added | Tobias Fünke | @J.Manuel Comments are not suitable for extended discussions. The question was why the answer received downvotes; I gave my reason(s). Of course, nothing is wrong with "having opinions" or debating other e.g. the ontology of (quantum) physics. All I say is that then one has to make sure everyone reads that this is an opinion and not as an empirical fact! | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 9:41 | comment | added | J. Manuel | @TobiasFünke Don’t take me wrong, I’m not advocating for these current times were everybody wants to dismiss everything as just “an opinion”. I believe there are different kinds of opinions. Some are informed other not; some are pure speculative other not; some try to adjust to data other not; some come after though analyses of the problem other not. But we should avoid the abuse of the label “opinion” to dismiss current physics discussion. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 9:41 | comment | added | J. Manuel | @TobiasFünke What’s the difference of an informed opinion and a theory? The fact that we are constantly outdating fantastic theories of one’s time, just points that those great theories were no other than useful opinions that satisficed the evidence and experiments of their time. You adjust your arguments on the existing and foreseen data, but you still have to include an argument on the data, just as much a lawyer do in a court of law. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 9:02 | comment | added | hyportnex | @TobiasFunke The debates between Bishop Berkley and Newton or the debates with/against Mach were "opinions" and were very important in the development of physics. Since there is no clear experimental method to decide among the various interpretations of QM we can only have opinions/attitudes etc., FlatterMan's views are at least as coherent as yours and he should be allowed to voice them as you are. AT least I think so. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 8:59 | comment | added | FlatterMann | @TobiasFünke That every measurement is an irreversible energy transfer is a hard fact. So is my statement that I couldn't find out where the phrase "wave function collapse" even comes from. I would love to get the correct reference from somebody. If you know, please share. I am seriously interested. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 8:56 | comment | added | Tobias Fünke | Physics is not about opinions. And the this user very often, in answers as well as comments, spreads their beliefs and opinions and treats them as if they were facts. For students it may be hard to distinguish an opinion from an empirical fact. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 8:53 | comment | added | hyportnex | we should always remember the eternal wisdom of Lieutenant Callahan: youtube.com/watch?v=D2_AiQLCb3U | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 8:24 | comment | added | FlatterMann | @hyportnex I have been "downvoted" for this "opinion" a thousand times in my life. I have never received a rational response that could prove me factually wrong. I do, however, understand why it rubs people the wrong way. The way we teach quantum mechanics is too abstract and the way we teach atomic physics is too hand-wavy. I found it quite hard to make the right connections myself when I was a student. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 8:10 | comment | added | hyportnex | why was this downvoted? this is a perfectly normal "opinion" answer to an "opinion" question. if we allow the question we should allow the answer. and it is certainly physics whether you like it or not. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 8:07 | comment | added | Professor Sushing | I wonder what triggered the downvotes for this answer. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 5:23 | history | answered | FlatterMann | CC BY-SA 4.0 |