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Non Ideal-Ideal Gas Question

I have been attempting to solve a problem involving a non-ideal gas. The gas is assumed to be non-ideal and hence modelled by the Van der Waals Equation, it is considered to be pure hydrogen gas and is contained in a cylinder that has a changing length and fixed radius, hence the volume can be changed and is not fixed.

I am trying to calculate the pressure and temperature at a given volume, I understand that the pressure and temperature will increase at their own rates dP/dV$dP/dV$ and dT/dV$dT/dV$ when the volume decreases, though the only formula I have is the non-ideal gas equation:

$$(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT$$$$(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT.$$

Hence I cannot simply remove one of the variables to try to find values of another and I do not have equations for $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$.

I began looking at trying ways to find values for $dP/dV$ and $dT/dV$. First, I tried using the non-ideal gas equation and deriving either $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$ from this but I could not solve them without having all three variables present, (which is the initial problem).

Instead, I began looking at other peoples work and potentially using graphs of $P$ against $V$ or $T$ against $V$ to formulate a function and then work backwards to determine an accurate differential $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$. Unfortunetly using this method did not seem to work as the gas that I was researching (Hydrogen) seemed to have no such graphs or data available.

Hence I am now stuck and asking for assistance with my problem. If anyone can offer help in finding a method to link the dynamic system together that would be greatly appreciated.

I believe that the key to finding the solution lies in finding a numerical answer for $dP/dV$ and or $dT/dV$.

Thanks.

Non Ideal Gas Question

I have been attempting to solve a problem involving a non-ideal gas. The gas is assumed to be non-ideal and hence modelled by the Van der Waals Equation, it is considered to be pure hydrogen gas and is contained in a cylinder that has a changing length and fixed radius, hence the volume can be changed and is not fixed.

I am trying to calculate the pressure and temperature at a given volume, I understand that the pressure and temperature will increase at their own rates dP/dV and dT/dV when the volume decreases, though the only formula I have is the non-ideal gas equation:

$$(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT$$

Hence I cannot simply remove one of the variables to try to find values of another and I do not have equations for $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$.

I began looking at trying ways to find values for $dP/dV$ and $dT/dV$. First, I tried using the non-ideal gas equation and deriving either $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$ from this but I could not solve them without having all three variables present, (which is the initial problem).

Instead, I began looking at other peoples work and potentially using graphs of $P$ against $V$ or $T$ against $V$ to formulate a function and then work backwards to determine an accurate differential $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$. Unfortunetly using this method did not seem to work as the gas that I was researching (Hydrogen) seemed to have no such graphs or data available.

Hence I am now stuck and asking for assistance with my problem. If anyone can offer help in finding a method to link the dynamic system together that would be greatly appreciated.

I believe that the key to finding the solution lies in finding a numerical answer for $dP/dV$ and or $dT/dV$.

Thanks.

Non-Ideal Gas Question

I have been attempting to solve a problem involving a non-ideal gas. The gas is assumed to be non-ideal and hence modelled by the Van der Waals Equation, it is considered to be pure hydrogen gas and is contained in a cylinder that has a changing length and fixed radius, hence the volume can be changed and is not fixed.

I am trying to calculate the pressure and temperature at a given volume, I understand that the pressure and temperature will increase at their own rates $dP/dV$ and $dT/dV$ when the volume decreases, though the only formula I have is the non-ideal gas equation:

$$(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT.$$

Hence I cannot simply remove one of the variables to try to find values of another and I do not have equations for $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$.

I began looking at trying ways to find values for $dP/dV$ and $dT/dV$. First, I tried using the non-ideal gas equation and deriving either $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$ from this but I could not solve them without having all three variables present, (which is the initial problem).

Instead, I began looking at other peoples work and potentially using graphs of $P$ against $V$ or $T$ against $V$ to formulate a function and then work backwards to determine an accurate differential $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$. Unfortunetly using this method did not seem to work as the gas that I was researching (Hydrogen) seemed to have no such graphs or data available.

Hence I am now stuck and asking for assistance with my problem. If anyone can offer help in finding a method to link the dynamic system together that would be greatly appreciated.

I believe that the key to finding the solution lies in finding a numerical answer for $dP/dV$ and or $dT/dV$.

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I have been attempting to solve a problem involving a non-ideal gas. The gas is assumed to be non-ideal and hence modelled by the Van der Waals Equation, it is considered to be pure hydrogen gas and is contained in a cylinder that has a changing length and fixed radius, hence the volume can be changed and is not fixed.

I am trying to calculate the pressure and temperature at a given volume, I understand that the pressure and temperature will increase at their own rates dP/dV and dT/dV when the volume decreases, though the only formula I have is the non-ideal gas equation:

(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT$$(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT$$

Hence I cannot simply remove one of the variables to try to find values of another and I do not have equations for dP/dV$dP/dV$ or dT/dV$dT/dV$.

I began looking at trying ways to find values for dP/dV$dP/dV$ and dT/dV$dT/dV$. First, I tried using the non-ideal gas equation and deriving either dP/dV$dP/dV$ or dT/dV$dT/dV$ from this but I could not solve them without having all three variables present, (which is the initial problem).

Instead, I began looking at other peoples work and potentially using graphs of P$P$ against V$V$ or T$T$ against V$V$ to formulate a function and then work backwards to determine an accurate differential dP/dV$dP/dV$ or dT/dV$dT/dV$. UnforutuentlyUnfortunetly using this method did not seem to work as the gas that I was researching (Hydrogen) seemed to have no such graphs or data available.

Hence I am now stuck and asking for assistance with my problem. If anyone can offer help in finding a method to link the dynamic system together that would be greatly appreciated.

I believe that the key to finding the solution lies in finding a numerical answer for dP/dV$dP/dV$ and or dT/dV$dT/dV$.

Thanks.

I have been attempting to solve a problem involving a non-ideal gas. The gas is assumed to be non-ideal and hence modelled by the Van der Waals Equation, it is considered to be pure hydrogen gas and is contained in a cylinder that has a changing length and fixed radius, hence the volume can be changed and is not fixed.

I am trying to calculate the pressure and temperature at a given volume, I understand that the pressure and temperature will increase at their own rates dP/dV and dT/dV when the volume decreases, though the only formula I have is the non-ideal gas equation:

(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT

Hence I cannot simply remove one of the variables to try to find values of another and I do not have equations for dP/dV or dT/dV.

I began looking at trying ways to find values for dP/dV and dT/dV. First, I tried using the non-ideal gas equation and deriving either dP/dV or dT/dV from this but I could not solve them without having all three variables present, (which is the initial problem).

Instead, I began looking at other peoples work and potentially using graphs of P against V or T against V to formulate a function and then work backwards to determine an accurate differential dP/dV or dT/dV. Unforutuently using this method did not seem to work as the gas that I was researching (Hydrogen) seemed to have no such graphs or data available.

Hence I am now stuck and asking for assistance with my problem. If anyone can offer help in finding a method to link the dynamic system together that would be greatly appreciated.

I believe that the key to finding the solution lies in finding a numerical answer for dP/dV and or dT/dV.

Thanks.

I have been attempting to solve a problem involving a non-ideal gas. The gas is assumed to be non-ideal and hence modelled by the Van der Waals Equation, it is considered to be pure hydrogen gas and is contained in a cylinder that has a changing length and fixed radius, hence the volume can be changed and is not fixed.

I am trying to calculate the pressure and temperature at a given volume, I understand that the pressure and temperature will increase at their own rates dP/dV and dT/dV when the volume decreases, though the only formula I have is the non-ideal gas equation:

$$(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT$$

Hence I cannot simply remove one of the variables to try to find values of another and I do not have equations for $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$.

I began looking at trying ways to find values for $dP/dV$ and $dT/dV$. First, I tried using the non-ideal gas equation and deriving either $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$ from this but I could not solve them without having all three variables present, (which is the initial problem).

Instead, I began looking at other peoples work and potentially using graphs of $P$ against $V$ or $T$ against $V$ to formulate a function and then work backwards to determine an accurate differential $dP/dV$ or $dT/dV$. Unfortunetly using this method did not seem to work as the gas that I was researching (Hydrogen) seemed to have no such graphs or data available.

Hence I am now stuck and asking for assistance with my problem. If anyone can offer help in finding a method to link the dynamic system together that would be greatly appreciated.

I believe that the key to finding the solution lies in finding a numerical answer for $dP/dV$ and or $dT/dV$.

Thanks.

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Non Ideal Gas Question

I have been attempting to solve a problem involving a non-ideal gas. The gas is assumed to be non-ideal and hence modelled by the Van der Waals Equation, it is considered to be pure hydrogen gas and is contained in a cylinder that has a changing length and fixed radius, hence the volume can be changed and is not fixed.

I am trying to calculate the pressure and temperature at a given volume, I understand that the pressure and temperature will increase at their own rates dP/dV and dT/dV when the volume decreases, though the only formula I have is the non-ideal gas equation:

(p+((an^2)/V))(V-nb) = nRT

Hence I cannot simply remove one of the variables to try to find values of another and I do not have equations for dP/dV or dT/dV.

I began looking at trying ways to find values for dP/dV and dT/dV. First, I tried using the non-ideal gas equation and deriving either dP/dV or dT/dV from this but I could not solve them without having all three variables present, (which is the initial problem).

Instead, I began looking at other peoples work and potentially using graphs of P against V or T against V to formulate a function and then work backwards to determine an accurate differential dP/dV or dT/dV. Unforutuently using this method did not seem to work as the gas that I was researching (Hydrogen) seemed to have no such graphs or data available.

Hence I am now stuck and asking for assistance with my problem. If anyone can offer help in finding a method to link the dynamic system together that would be greatly appreciated.

I believe that the key to finding the solution lies in finding a numerical answer for dP/dV and or dT/dV.

Thanks.