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I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation (see calculations below), which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$.

Also, using the Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{10}{7} l g\sin{\alpha}}$$$$t = \sqrt{\frac{14}{5} \frac{l}{g\sin{\alpha}}}$$ where $\alpha$ is the angle the incline makes with the horizonal and $l$ is the length it travels down the incline.

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas. Searching through various posts I have found so far the following:

  • air friction (not so important here I think, as velocity is not very high and iron has a large density, so a small surface)
  • rolling friction: the ball and the plane are not perfectly rigid, they deform a little so that the ball is always climbing over a small hump, causing a small resultant force which opposes motion (suppose this is quite small for an iron ball and aluminum ramp)
  • slippage friction: there is no single point of contact but a small but finite area of contact and the velocity of all those points of contact is not equal to zero. So in realtiy there is no such thing as rolling without slipping.

What else?

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic level?

I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation (see calculations below), which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$.

Also, using the Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{10}{7} l g\sin{\alpha}}$$ where $\alpha$ is the angle the incline makes with the horizonal and $l$ is the length it travels down the incline.

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas. Searching through various posts I have found so far the following:

  • air friction (not so important here I think, as velocity is not very high and iron has a large density, so a small surface)
  • rolling friction: the ball and the plane are not perfectly rigid, they deform a little so that the ball is always climbing over a small hump, causing a small resultant force which opposes motion (suppose this is quite small for an iron ball and aluminum ramp)
  • slippage friction: there is no single point of contact but a small but finite area of contact and the velocity of all those points of contact is not equal to zero. So in realtiy there is no such thing as rolling without slipping.

What else?

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic level?

I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation (see calculations below), which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$.

Also, using the Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{14}{5} \frac{l}{g\sin{\alpha}}}$$ where $\alpha$ is the angle the incline makes with the horizonal and $l$ is the length it travels down the incline.

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas. Searching through various posts I have found so far the following:

  • air friction (not so important here I think, as velocity is not very high and iron has a large density, so a small surface)
  • rolling friction: the ball and the plane are not perfectly rigid, they deform a little so that the ball is always climbing over a small hump, causing a small resultant force which opposes motion (suppose this is quite small for an iron ball and aluminum ramp)
  • slippage friction: there is no single point of contact but a small but finite area of contact and the velocity of all those points of contact is not equal to zero. So in realtiy there is no such thing as rolling without slipping.

What else?

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic level?
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I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation (see calculations below), which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}Mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$$mgH=\frac{7}{10}mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$. Using

Also, using the Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{10}{7} l g\sin{\alpha}}$$ where $\alpha$ is the angle the incline makes with the horizonal and $l$ is the length it travels down the incline.

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas. Searching through various posts I have found so far the following:

  • air friction (not so important here I think, as velocity is not very high and iron has a large density, so a small surface)
  • rolling friction: the ball and the plane are not perfectly rigid, they deform a little so that the ball is always climbing over a small hump, causing a small resultant force which opposes motion (suppose this is quite small for an iron ball and aluminum ramp)
  • slippage friction: there is no single point of contact but a small but finite area of contact and the velocity of all those points of contact is not equal to zero. So in realtiy there is no such thing as rolling without slipping.

What else?

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic level?

I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation (see calculations below), which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}Mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$. Using Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{10}{7} l g\sin{\alpha}}$$

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas. Searching through various posts I have found so far the following:

  • air friction (not so important here I think, as velocity is not very high and iron has a large density, so a small surface)
  • rolling friction: the ball and the plane are not perfectly rigid, they deform a little so that the ball is always climbing over a small hump, causing a small resultant force which opposes motion (suppose this is quite small for an iron ball and aluminum ramp)
  • slippage friction: there is no single point of contact but a small but finite area of contact and the velocity of all those points of contact is not equal to zero. So in realtiy there is no such thing as rolling without slipping.

What else?

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic level?

I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation (see calculations below), which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$.

Also, using the Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{10}{7} l g\sin{\alpha}}$$ where $\alpha$ is the angle the incline makes with the horizonal and $l$ is the length it travels down the incline.

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas. Searching through various posts I have found so far the following:

  • air friction (not so important here I think, as velocity is not very high and iron has a large density, so a small surface)
  • rolling friction: the ball and the plane are not perfectly rigid, they deform a little so that the ball is always climbing over a small hump, causing a small resultant force which opposes motion (suppose this is quite small for an iron ball and aluminum ramp)
  • slippage friction: there is no single point of contact but a small but finite area of contact and the velocity of all those points of contact is not equal to zero. So in realtiy there is no such thing as rolling without slipping.

What else?

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic level?
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I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation (see calculations below), which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}Mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$. Using Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{10}{7} l g\sin{\alpha}}$$

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas.

A part from attrition with air (not so important here, as velocity is not that high and iron has a large density), Searching through various posts I am not sure what are other contributing factors. The ball is rolling, not sliding,have found so there is no attrition. My wild guesses arefar the following:

  • air friction (not so important here I think, as velocity is not very high and iron has a large density, so a small surface)
  • rolling friction: the ball and the plane are not perfectly rigid, they deform a little so that the ball is always climbing over a small hump, causing a small resultant force which opposes motion (suppose this is quite small for an iron ball and aluminum ramp)
  • slippage friction: there is no single point of contact but a small but finite area of contact and the velocity of all those points of contact is not equal to zero. So in realtiy there is no such thing as rolling without slipping.

What else?

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic microscopic level?

I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation, which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}Mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$. Using Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{10}{7} l g\sin{\alpha}}$$

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas.

A part from attrition with air (not so important here, as velocity is not that high and iron has a large density), I am not sure what are other contributing factors. The ball is rolling, not sliding, so there is no attrition. My wild guesses are:

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic level?

I am experimenting in lab with an iron sphere rolling down a smooth aluminum ramp.

The final velocity is smaller than the one predicted assuming energy conservation (see calculations below), which implies some energy is lost.

At the top of the ramp (height $H$) the sphere is at rest and energy $E_{tot}=E_{pot}=mgH$. At the end of the ramp the sphere has height 0 and so all potential energy, in absence of lossed, should be converted in kinetic energy, which has two components (rotation and translation). Hence I get $mgH=\frac{7}{10}Mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{\frac{10}{7}gH}$. Using Euler-Lagrange equations I obtain that the balls should have constant acceleration: $$a=\frac{5}{7} g\sin{\alpha}$$ and the time it should take to get to the bottom og the ramp is: $$t = \sqrt{\frac{10}{7} l g\sin{\alpha}}$$

What are the mechanical causes of the energy loss in this experiment? I am interested in a qualitative conceptual answer, not in formulas. Searching through various posts I have found so far the following:

  • air friction (not so important here I think, as velocity is not very high and iron has a large density, so a small surface)
  • rolling friction: the ball and the plane are not perfectly rigid, they deform a little so that the ball is always climbing over a small hump, causing a small resultant force which opposes motion (suppose this is quite small for an iron ball and aluminum ramp)
  • slippage friction: there is no single point of contact but a small but finite area of contact and the velocity of all those points of contact is not equal to zero. So in realtiy there is no such thing as rolling without slipping.

What else?

  • perhaps the surfaces are not perfect so it makes micro bounces, instead of a perfect rolling?
  • perhaps the ball sticks to the surface at microscopic level?
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