Timeline for Calculating entropy for the surroundings the logical way doesn't work
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Jun 12, 2018 at 16:31 | comment | added | Gamabunto | @ChesterMiller I had always determined the change in entropy of the surroundings with the formula Q_abs/T, but as the entropy is a state function and the surrounding's state doesn't seem to change much I wanted to check myself if the limit agreed with the formula. | |
Jun 12, 2018 at 16:28 | comment | added | Gamabunto | @ChesterMiller When I first posted I assumed that since the temperature of the big champer didn't change, the contribution of its temperature to its entropy didn't either, but I was mistaken and now I think everything is alright. | |
Jun 11, 2018 at 15:03 | comment | added | Chet Miller | I found this a very interesting and highly thought provoking problem. What ever made you conceive of it? | |
Jun 11, 2018 at 11:27 | comment | added | Chet Miller | If you combine the two terms in your final equation for the entropy change of the "surroundings," you get the result you expected. So, what's the problem? | |
Jun 10, 2018 at 22:29 | answer | added | Chet Miller | timeline score: 0 | |
Jun 10, 2018 at 18:54 | comment | added | Gamabunto | @ChesterMiller Not quite. The small chamber is inside the big one. In my head the big one is the atmosphere and the small one is a cylinder with a piston where a weight is placed. | |
Jun 10, 2018 at 18:52 | history | edited | Gamabunto | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 10, 2018 at 17:41 | comment | added | jacob1729 | Notice that the discrepency arises because $P_1\neq P$. I.e. whatever's going wrong, the issue is how we're dealing with the massive piston. | |
Jun 10, 2018 at 17:22 | comment | added | Chet Miller | Let's be more precise. You have a small chamber of volume V attached to a large chamber of volume Ve, and the two chambers interact with one another through a frictionless piston. Both chambers are initially at temperature T1 and pressure P1, are insulted from the rest of the surroundings, and you place an added weight on a second piston connected to the small chamber. This causes the volume in the small chamber to decrease, and this results in a change in the volume and pressure (and temperature) of the gas in the larger chamber. Is this anything like what you are describing. | |
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