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EDIT: I was missing the entropy change due to temperature change and now everything makes sense

Suppose I have $n$ mol of an ideal gas in a chamber with a piston with volume $V$ at pressure $P_{1}$ and at a temperature $T$. I place a weight which exerts a pressure $P-P_{1}$ on the piston. The gas undergoes isothermal compression until its volume reaches $V'=\frac{nRT}{P}$. I can compute its entropy change with the formula $nR \ln(\frac{V'}{V})$.

So now I want to know the entropy change of the surroundings, for the sake of simplicity let's assume that it is an ideal gas at equilibrium with the other gas, so its pressure is $P_{1}$ and its temperature is $T$, with an initial volume of $V_{e}>>V,V'$ and a final volume $V_{e}'>>V,V'$, volume conservation allows us to say that $V_{e}'=V_{e}+V-V'$. Its temperature change is (because of energy conservation) $\Delta T=\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{Nc_{v}}$ its entropy change is (or should be) $Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})+NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})+Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}+Nc_v\frac{\Delta T}{T}=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}+\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{T}$.

\begin{align}Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})+NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})&=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})+Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})\\&\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}+Nc_v\frac{\Delta T}{T}\\&=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}+\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{T}.\end{align}

However, I know that itit is in fact $\frac{P (V-V')}{T}$, because modelling the surroundings as an infinite thermal reservoir all the heat exchanged is reversible and the amount of heat exchanged is $P (V-V')$.

Why am I wrong?

EDIT: I was missing the entropy change due to temperature change and now everything makes sense

Suppose I have $n$ mol of an ideal gas in a chamber with a piston with volume $V$ at pressure $P_{1}$ and at a temperature $T$. I place a weight which exerts a pressure $P-P_{1}$ on the piston. The gas undergoes isothermal compression until its volume reaches $V'=\frac{nRT}{P}$. I can compute its entropy change with the formula $nR \ln(\frac{V'}{V})$.

So now I want to know the entropy change of the surroundings, for the sake of simplicity let's assume that it is an ideal gas at equilibrium with the other gas, so its pressure is $P_{1}$ and its temperature is $T$, with an initial volume of $V_{e}>>V,V'$ and a final volume $V_{e}'>>V,V'$, volume conservation allows us to say that $V_{e}'=V_{e}+V-V'$. Its temperature change is (because of energy conservation) $\Delta T=\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{Nc_{v}}$ its entropy change is (or should be) $Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})+NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})+Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}+Nc_v\frac{\Delta T}{T}=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}+\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{T}$.

However, I know that it is in fact $\frac{P (V-V')}{T}$, because modelling the surroundings as an infinite thermal reservoir all the heat exchanged is reversible and the amount of heat exchanged is $P (V-V')$

Why am I wrong?

EDIT: I was missing the entropy change due to temperature change and now everything makes sense

Suppose I have $n$ mol of an ideal gas in a chamber with a piston with volume $V$ at pressure $P_{1}$ and at a temperature $T$. I place a weight which exerts a pressure $P-P_{1}$ on the piston. The gas undergoes isothermal compression until its volume reaches $V'=\frac{nRT}{P}$. I can compute its entropy change with the formula $nR \ln(\frac{V'}{V})$.

So now I want to know the entropy change of the surroundings, for the sake of simplicity let's assume that it is an ideal gas at equilibrium with the other gas, so its pressure is $P_{1}$ and its temperature is $T$, with an initial volume of $V_{e}>>V,V'$ and a final volume $V_{e}'>>V,V'$, volume conservation allows us to say that $V_{e}'=V_{e}+V-V'$. Its temperature change is (because of energy conservation) $\Delta T=\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{Nc_{v}}$ its entropy change is (or should be)

\begin{align}Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})+NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})&=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})+Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})\\&\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}+Nc_v\frac{\Delta T}{T}\\&=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}+\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{T}.\end{align}

However, I know that it is in fact $\frac{P (V-V')}{T}$, because modelling the surroundings as an infinite thermal reservoir all the heat exchanged is reversible and the amount of heat exchanged is $P (V-V')$.

Why am I wrong?

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EDIT: I was missing the entropy change due to temperature change and now everything makes sense

Suppose I have $n$ mol of an ideal gas in a chamber with a piston with volume $V$ at pressure $P_{1}$ and at a temperature $T$. I place a weight which exerts a pressure $P$$P-P_{1}$ on the piston. The gas undergoes isothermal compression until its volume reaches $V'=\frac{nRT}{P}$. I can compute its entropy change with the formula $nR \ln(\frac{V'}{V})$.

So now I want to know the entropy change of the surroundings, for the sake of simplicity let's assume that it is an ideal gas at equilibrium with the other gas, so its pressure is $P_{1}$ and its temperature is $T$, with an initial volume of $V_{e}>>V,V'$ and a final volume $V_{e}'>>V,V'$, volume conservation allows us to say that $V_{e}'=V_{e}+V-V'$. Since itsIts temperature has not changed eitherchange is (because of energy conservation) $\Delta T=\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{Nc_{v}}$ its entropy change is (or should be) $NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}$$Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})+NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})+Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}+Nc_v\frac{\Delta T}{T}=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}+\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{T}$.

However, I know that it is in fact $\frac{P (V-V')}{T}$, because modelling the surroundings as an infinite thermal reservoir all the heat exchanged is reversible and the amount of heat exchanged is $P (V-V')$

Why am I wrong?

Suppose I have $n$ mol of an ideal gas in a volume $V$ at pressure $P_{1}$ and at a temperature $T$. I place a weight which exerts a pressure $P$. The gas undergoes isothermal compression until its volume reaches $V'=\frac{nRT}{P}$. I can compute its entropy change with the formula $nR \ln(\frac{V'}{V})$.

So now I want to know the entropy change of the surroundings, for the sake of simplicity let's assume that it is an ideal gas at equilibrium with the other gas, so its pressure is $P_{1}$ and its temperature is $T$, with an initial volume of $V_{e}>>V,V'$ and a final volume $V_{e}'>>V,V'$, volume conservation allows us to say that $V_{e}'=V_{e}+V-V'$. Since its temperature has not changed either (because of energy conservation) its entropy change is (or should be) $NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}$.

However, I know that it is in fact $\frac{P (V-V')}{T}$, because modelling the surroundings as an infinite thermal reservoir all the heat exchanged is reversible and the amount of heat exchanged is $P (V-V')$

Why am I wrong?

EDIT: I was missing the entropy change due to temperature change and now everything makes sense

Suppose I have $n$ mol of an ideal gas in a chamber with a piston with volume $V$ at pressure $P_{1}$ and at a temperature $T$. I place a weight which exerts a pressure $P-P_{1}$ on the piston. The gas undergoes isothermal compression until its volume reaches $V'=\frac{nRT}{P}$. I can compute its entropy change with the formula $nR \ln(\frac{V'}{V})$.

So now I want to know the entropy change of the surroundings, for the sake of simplicity let's assume that it is an ideal gas at equilibrium with the other gas, so its pressure is $P_{1}$ and its temperature is $T$, with an initial volume of $V_{e}>>V,V'$ and a final volume $V_{e}'>>V,V'$, volume conservation allows us to say that $V_{e}'=V_{e}+V-V'$. Its temperature change is (because of energy conservation) $\Delta T=\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{Nc_{v}}$ its entropy change is (or should be) $Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})+NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})+Nc_v \ln(1+\frac{\Delta T}{T})\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}+Nc_v\frac{\Delta T}{T}=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}+\frac{(P-P_{1})(V-V')}{T}$.

However, I know that it is in fact $\frac{P (V-V')}{T}$, because modelling the surroundings as an infinite thermal reservoir all the heat exchanged is reversible and the amount of heat exchanged is $P (V-V')$

Why am I wrong?

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Calculating entropy for the surroundings the logical way doesn't work

Suppose I have $n$ mol of an ideal gas in a volume $V$ at pressure $P_{1}$ and at a temperature $T$. I place a weight which exerts a pressure $P$. The gas undergoes isothermal compression until its volume reaches $V'=\frac{nRT}{P}$. I can compute its entropy change with the formula $nR \ln(\frac{V'}{V})$.

So now I want to know the entropy change of the surroundings, for the sake of simplicity let's assume that it is an ideal gas at equilibrium with the other gas, so its pressure is $P_{1}$ and its temperature is $T$, with an initial volume of $V_{e}>>V,V'$ and a final volume $V_{e}'>>V,V'$, volume conservation allows us to say that $V_{e}'=V_{e}+V-V'$. Since its temperature has not changed either (because of energy conservation) its entropy change is (or should be) $NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}'}{V_{e}})=NR \ln(\frac{V_{e}+V-V'}{V_{e}})\approx NR\frac{V-V'}{V_{e}}=\frac{P_1 (V-V')}{T}$.

However, I know that it is in fact $\frac{P (V-V')}{T}$, because modelling the surroundings as an infinite thermal reservoir all the heat exchanged is reversible and the amount of heat exchanged is $P (V-V')$

Why am I wrong?