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In general one can convert from one unit to another (of the same dimension) by using (($U$,$A$) and ($V$,$B$) being compatible unit pairs in the following)

$xU=(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A=yA$

Oftentimes the offset $o_{U\rightarrow A}$ will have a value of zero, which reduces the conversion to a simple multiplication with a factor $f_{U\rightarrow A}$. For some units like temperatures, however, we need that offset as well.

There are a few compound units in use, which are combinations of a temperature and some other unit like joule per kelvin or degree Celsius day.   

My question is how would I convert those compound units unambiguously?

To be more specific: Assume we want to convert from a (compound) unit $UV$ to a unit $AB$ and are given the following conversion formulas:

  • $xU=(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A$
  • $xV=(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})B$

The conversion formula from $x UV = y AB$ seems to depend on the order of conversions:

If converting first from $U$ to $A$ and then from $V$ to $V$$B$ we end up with the following calculation

$xUV\\ =(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})AV \\ =((x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})B \\ =(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}+o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})AB$

Doing it the other way around, we end up with

$xUV\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})UB\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast A\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})B\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})AB$

So depending on the order of conversions we end up in results, which differ by

$\begin{array}{l}(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}+o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})-(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})\\=o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}-o_{U\rightarrow A}\\=o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast(f_{V\rightarrow B}-1)\end{array}$

Can somebody explain to me, where I'm going wrong here or how this ambiguity is resolved in practisepractice?

In general one can convert from one unit to another (of the same dimension) by using (($U$,$A$) and ($V$,$B$) being compatible unit pairs in the following)

$xU=(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A=yA$

Oftentimes the offset $o_{U\rightarrow A}$ will have a value of zero, which reduces the conversion to a simple multiplication with a factor $f_{U\rightarrow A}$. For some units like temperatures, however, we need that offset as well.

There are a few compound units in use, which are combinations of a temperature and some other unit like joule per kelvin or degree Celsius day.  My question is how would I convert those?

To be more specific: Assume we want to convert from a (compound) unit $UV$ to a unit $AB$ and are given the following conversion formulas:

  • $xU=(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A$
  • $xV=(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})B$

The conversion formula from $x UV = y AB$ seems to depend on the order of conversions:

If converting first from $U$ to $A$ and then from $V$ to $V$ we end up with the following calculation

$xUV\\ =(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})AV \\ =((x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})B \\ =(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}+o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})AB$

Doing it the other way around, we end up with

$xUV\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})UB\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast A\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})B\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})AB$

So depending on the order of conversions we end up in results, which differ by

$\begin{array}{l}(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}+o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})-(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})\\=o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}-o_{U\rightarrow A}\\=o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast(f_{V\rightarrow B}-1)\end{array}$

Can somebody explain to me, where I'm going wrong here or how this ambiguity is resolved in practise?

In general one can convert from one unit to another (of the same dimension) by using (($U$,$A$) and ($V$,$B$) being compatible unit pairs in the following)

$xU=(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A=yA$

Oftentimes the offset $o_{U\rightarrow A}$ will have a value of zero, which reduces the conversion to a simple multiplication with a factor $f_{U\rightarrow A}$. For some units like temperatures, however, we need that offset as well.

There are a few compound units in use, which are combinations of a temperature and some other unit like joule per kelvin or degree Celsius day. 

My question is how would I convert those compound units unambiguously?

To be more specific: Assume we want to convert from a (compound) unit $UV$ to a unit $AB$ and are given the following conversion formulas:

  • $xU=(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A$
  • $xV=(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})B$

The conversion formula from $x UV = y AB$ seems to depend on the order of conversions:

If converting first from $U$ to $A$ and then from $V$ to $B$ we end up with the following calculation

$xUV\\ =(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})AV \\ =((x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})B \\ =(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}+o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})AB$

Doing it the other way around, we end up with

$xUV\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})UB\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast A\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})B\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})AB$

So depending on the order of conversions we end up in results, which differ by

$\begin{array}{l}(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}+o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})-(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})\\=o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}-o_{U\rightarrow A}\\=o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast(f_{V\rightarrow B}-1)\end{array}$

Can somebody explain to me, where I'm going wrong here or how this ambiguity is resolved in practice?

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Conversion of compound temperature units

In general one can convert from one unit to another (of the same dimension) by using (($U$,$A$) and ($V$,$B$) being compatible unit pairs in the following)

$xU=(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A=yA$

Oftentimes the offset $o_{U\rightarrow A}$ will have a value of zero, which reduces the conversion to a simple multiplication with a factor $f_{U\rightarrow A}$. For some units like temperatures, however, we need that offset as well.

There are a few compound units in use, which are combinations of a temperature and some other unit like joule per kelvin or degree Celsius day. My question is how would I convert those?

To be more specific: Assume we want to convert from a (compound) unit $UV$ to a unit $AB$ and are given the following conversion formulas:

  • $xU=(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A$
  • $xV=(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})B$

The conversion formula from $x UV = y AB$ seems to depend on the order of conversions:

If converting first from $U$ to $A$ and then from $V$ to $V$ we end up with the following calculation

$xUV\\ =(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})AV \\ =((x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})A\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})B \\ =(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}+o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})AB$

Doing it the other way around, we end up with

$xUV\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})UB\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast A\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})B\\ =(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})AB$

So depending on the order of conversions we end up in results, which differ by

$\begin{array}{l}(x\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}+o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B})-(x\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}\ast f_{U\rightarrow A}+o_{U\rightarrow A})\\=o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast f_{V\rightarrow B}-o_{U\rightarrow A}\\=o_{U\rightarrow A}\ast(f_{V\rightarrow B}-1)\end{array}$

Can somebody explain to me, where I'm going wrong here or how this ambiguity is resolved in practise?