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What do we mean when we say that Newton's Second Law of Motion is invariant under Galilean transformations?

Does it mean that the value of a force measured in one reference frame is the same when measured in another reference frame, which are moving with constant velocity relative to each other? Or that the form of the equation remains the same? I do not really understand what we mean by the latter. Let's take the example of three reference frames $S$, $S'$, and $S''$. $S'$ moves with instantaneous velocity $u$ relative to $S$ along the positive $x$-axis, $S''$ with $v'$ relative to $S'$, and $S''$ with $v$ relative to $S$. Let's say $S'$ and $S''$ are accelerating with $S''$ having a greater acceleration than $S'$ as measured in $S$, which is an inertial frame. We can write for the acceleration of $S''$ as measured in $S'$:

$$\frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{du}{dt} + \frac{dv'}{dt}$$ $$\frac{dv'}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dt} - \frac{du}{dt}$$

If $S''$ is attached to a mass $m$, the force on the mass as measured in $S'$ is given as

$$m\frac{dv'}{dt} = m\frac{dv}{dt} - m\frac{du}{dt},$$

which is less than the force on the mass as measured in $S'$ by $m\frac{du}{dt}$. With the same form of equation: (mass)x(acceleration of that mass), we get different values for the force on the mass. So we might say that Newton's Second Law is not invariant under a transformation if the reference frame is non-inertial, but we say that because the value of the force is not same, what about the form?

EDIT: How do you show that the 'form' of the equation, whatever they mean by it, changes when you transform from an inertial frame to a non-inertial frame?

What do we mean when we say that Newton's Second Law of Motion is invariant under Galilean transformations?

Does it mean that the value of a force measured in one reference frame is the same when measured in another reference frame, which are moving with constant velocity relative to each other? Or that the form of the equation remains the same? I do not really understand what we mean by the latter. Let's take the example of three reference frames $S$, $S'$, and $S''$. $S'$ moves with instantaneous velocity $u$ relative to $S$ along the positive $x$-axis, $S''$ with $v'$ relative to $S'$, and $S''$ with $v$ relative to $S$. Let's say $S'$ and $S''$ are accelerating with $S''$ having a greater acceleration than $S'$ as measured in $S$, which is an inertial frame. We can write for the acceleration of $S''$ as measured in $S'$:

$$\frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{du}{dt} + \frac{dv'}{dt}$$ $$\frac{dv'}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dt} - \frac{du}{dt}$$

If $S''$ is attached to a mass $m$, the force on the mass as measured in $S'$ is given as

$$m\frac{dv'}{dt} = m\frac{dv}{dt} - m\frac{du}{dt},$$

which is less than the force on the mass as measured in $S'$ by $m\frac{du}{dt}$. With the same form of equation: (mass)x(acceleration of that mass), we get different values for the force on the mass. So we might say that Newton's Second Law is not invariant under a transformation if the reference frame is non-inertial, but we say that because the value of the force is not same, what about the form?

What do we mean when we say that Newton's Second Law of Motion is invariant under Galilean transformations?

Does it mean that the value of a force measured in one reference frame is the same when measured in another reference frame, which are moving with constant velocity relative to each other? Or that the form of the equation remains the same? I do not really understand what we mean by the latter. Let's take the example of three reference frames $S$, $S'$, and $S''$. $S'$ moves with instantaneous velocity $u$ relative to $S$ along the positive $x$-axis, $S''$ with $v'$ relative to $S'$, and $S''$ with $v$ relative to $S$. Let's say $S'$ and $S''$ are accelerating with $S''$ having a greater acceleration than $S'$ as measured in $S$, which is an inertial frame. We can write for the acceleration of $S''$ as measured in $S'$:

$$\frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{du}{dt} + \frac{dv'}{dt}$$ $$\frac{dv'}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dt} - \frac{du}{dt}$$

If $S''$ is attached to a mass $m$, the force on the mass as measured in $S'$ is given as

$$m\frac{dv'}{dt} = m\frac{dv}{dt} - m\frac{du}{dt},$$

which is less than the force on the mass as measured in $S'$ by $m\frac{du}{dt}$. With the same form of equation: (mass)x(acceleration of that mass), we get different values for the force on the mass. So we might say that Newton's Second Law is not invariant under a transformation if the reference frame is non-inertial, but we say that because the value of the force is not same, what about the form?

EDIT: How do you show that the 'form' of the equation, whatever they mean by it, changes when you transform from an inertial frame to a non-inertial frame?

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The Meaning of Newton's Second Law of Motion Being Invariant Under Certain Transformations

What do we mean when we say that Newton's Second Law of Motion is invariant under Galilean transformations?

Does it mean that the value of a force measured in one reference frame is the same when measured in another reference frame, which are moving with constant velocity relative to each other? Or that the form of the equation remains the same? I do not really understand what we mean by the latter. Let's take the example of three reference frames $S$, $S'$, and $S''$. $S'$ moves with instantaneous velocity $u$ relative to $S$ along the positive $x$-axis, $S''$ with $v'$ relative to $S'$, and $S''$ with $v$ relative to $S$. Let's say $S'$ and $S''$ are accelerating with $S''$ having a greater acceleration than $S'$ as measured in $S$, which is an inertial frame. We can write for the acceleration of $S''$ as measured in $S'$:

$$\frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{du}{dt} + \frac{dv'}{dt}$$ $$\frac{dv'}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dt} - \frac{du}{dt}$$

If $S''$ is attached to a mass $m$, the force on the mass as measured in $S'$ is given as

$$m\frac{dv'}{dt} = m\frac{dv}{dt} - m\frac{du}{dt},$$

which is less than the force on the mass as measured in $S'$ by $m\frac{du}{dt}$. With the same form of equation: (mass)x(acceleration of that mass), we get different values for the force on the mass. So we might say that Newton's Second Law is not invariant under a transformation if the reference frame is non-inertial, but we say that because the value of the force is not same, what about the form?