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Two real scalar fields $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ satisfying an $SO(2)$ symmetry and one complex scalar field $\psi$ are equivalent. However, the latter is more convenient because the particles made by $\psi$ and $\psi^\dagger$ form the antiparticle pair, while inare each others' antiparticles. In the real case, the fields that have this property are $\phi_1 \pm i \phi_2$, so once you need to change basis from $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ to $\phi_1 \pm i\phi_2$. Once you do this, you just get the exact same thing as$\phi_1 \pm i \phi_2$ you've reinvented the $\psi$complex scalar field.

This is explained really nicely starting from p.53 in these notes, which motivate the complex scalar field from scratchSidney Coleman's QFT notes.

However, asAs you said, a complex quantity is not measurable in QM. And indeed, in QFT,   $\psi$ is not an observable, which feels really strange because quantum fields are often motivated, at the very start of a QFT course, as nice local observables. This really confused me too. However, if you look at applicationsUnfortunately this motivation isn't quite right, you'll see thatas we rarely measure quantum fields never are directly observed -- for. For example, if you want to measure particlethe number, you would look at $\psi^\dagger \psi$ or $\phi^2$ density, etc.charge density, never theand current density for a charged complex scalar field itself. You only measureare all field bilinears like $\psi^\dagger \psi$, and hence real.

Two real scalar fields $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ satisfying an $SO(2)$ symmetry and one complex scalar field $\psi$ are equivalent. However, the latter is more convenient because $\psi$ and $\psi^\dagger$ form the antiparticle pair, while in the real case, you need to change basis from $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ to $\phi_1 \pm i\phi_2$. Once you do this, you just get the exact same thing as the $\psi$ field.

This is explained really nicely starting from p.53 in these notes, which motivate the complex scalar field from scratch.

However, as you said, a complex quantity is not measurable in QM. And indeed, in QFT, $\psi$ is not an observable, which feels really strange because quantum fields are often motivated, at the very start of a QFT course, as nice local observables. This really confused me too. However, if you look at applications, you'll see that quantum fields never are directly observed -- for example, if you want to measure particle number, you would look at $\psi^\dagger \psi$ or $\phi^2$, etc., never the field itself. You only measure field bilinears.

Two real scalar fields $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ satisfying an $SO(2)$ symmetry and one complex scalar field $\psi$ are equivalent. However, the latter is more convenient because the particles made by $\psi$ and $\psi^\dagger$ are each others' antiparticles. In the real case, the fields that have this property are $\phi_1 \pm i \phi_2$, so once you change basis from $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ to $\phi_1 \pm i \phi_2$ you've reinvented the complex scalar field.

This is explained nicely starting from p.53 in Sidney Coleman's QFT notes.

As you said, a complex quantity is not measurable in QM. And indeed  $\psi$ is not an observable, which feels strange because quantum fields are often motivated at the start of a QFT course as local observables. Unfortunately this motivation isn't quite right, as we rarely measure quantum fields directly. For example, the number density, charge density, and current density for a charged complex scalar field are all field bilinears like $\psi^\dagger \psi$, and hence real.

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Two real scalar fields $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ satisfying an $SO(2)$ symmetry and one complex scalar field $\psi$ are equivalent. However, the latter is more convenient because $\psi$ and $\psi^\dagger$ form the antiparticle pair, while in the real case, you need to change basis from $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ to $\phi_1 \pm i\phi_2$. Once you do this, you just get the exact same thing as the $\psi$ field.

This is explained really nicely starting from p.53 in these notes, which motivate the complex scalar field from scratch.

However, as you said, a complex quantity is not measurable in QM. And indeed, in QFT, $\psi$ is not an observable, which feels really strange because quantum fields are often motivated, at the very start of a QFT course, as nice local observables. This really confused me too. However, if you look a bit closerat applications, you'll see that the quantum fields never are directly observed -- for example, if you want to look atmeasure particle number, you would look at $\psi^\dagger \psi$ or $\phi^2$, etc., never the field itself. So this isn't actually a problemYou only measure field bilinears.

Two real scalar fields $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ satisfying an $SO(2)$ symmetry and one complex scalar field $\psi$ are equivalent. However, the latter is more convenient because $\psi$ and $\psi^\dagger$ form the antiparticle pair, while in the real case, you need to change basis from $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ to $\phi_1 \pm i\phi_2$. Once you do this, you just get the exact same thing as the $\psi$ field.

This is explained really nicely starting from p.53 in these notes, which motivate the complex scalar field from scratch.

However, as you said, a complex quantity is not measurable in QM. And indeed, in QFT, $\psi$ is not an observable, which feels really strange because quantum fields are often motivated, at the very start of a QFT course, as nice local observables. This really confused me too. However, if you look a bit closer, you'll see that the quantum fields never are directly observed -- for example, if you want to look at particle number, you would look at $\psi^\dagger \psi$ or $\phi^2$, etc., never the field itself. So this isn't actually a problem.

Two real scalar fields $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ satisfying an $SO(2)$ symmetry and one complex scalar field $\psi$ are equivalent. However, the latter is more convenient because $\psi$ and $\psi^\dagger$ form the antiparticle pair, while in the real case, you need to change basis from $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ to $\phi_1 \pm i\phi_2$. Once you do this, you just get the exact same thing as the $\psi$ field.

This is explained really nicely starting from p.53 in these notes, which motivate the complex scalar field from scratch.

However, as you said, a complex quantity is not measurable in QM. And indeed, in QFT, $\psi$ is not an observable, which feels really strange because quantum fields are often motivated, at the very start of a QFT course, as nice local observables. This really confused me too. However, if you look at applications, you'll see that quantum fields never are directly observed -- for example, if you want to measure particle number, you would look at $\psi^\dagger \psi$ or $\phi^2$, etc., never the field itself. You only measure field bilinears.

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Two real scalar fields $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ satisfying an $SO(2)$ symmetry and one complex scalar field $\psi$ are equivalent. However, the latter is more convenient because $\psi$ and $\psi^\dagger$ form the antiparticle pair, while in the real case, you need to change basis from $\phi_1$ and $\phi_2$ to $\phi_1 \pm i\phi_2$. Once you do this, you just get the exact same thing as the $\psi$ field.

This is explained really nicely starting from p.53 in these notes, which motivate the complex scalar field from scratch.

However, as you said, a complex quantity is not measurable in QM. And indeed, in QFT, $\psi$ is not an observable, which feels really strange because quantum fields are often motivated, at the very start of a QFT course, as nice local observables. This really confused me too. However, if you look a bit closer, you'll see that the quantum fields never are directly observed -- for example, if you want to look at particle number, you would look at $\psi^\dagger \psi$ or $\phi^2$, etc., never the field itself. So this isn't actually a problem.