Timeline for Are Thomas Breuer's subjective decoherence and Scott Aaronson's freebits with Knightian freedom the same things in essence?
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| May 31, 2023 at 10:24 | comment | added | Andrew Steane | @pete We're not meant to chat in comments so I'll just make one more point. My position involves that existing physics is not entirely complete or correct and ions in brains is one place where this is relevant. Both our arguments are based on reason, a high-level concept. The physical world is of a nature that allows rationality (and its opposite) to influence things like brains. Terms like "I" and "you" refer to wonderful nodes where reason and the like finds expression. I doubt that partial differential equations can entirely account for this. | |
| May 31, 2023 at 1:39 | comment | added | pete | @AndrewSteane they're not mutually exclusive. Yes, the cause was "me". And that involves tons of electrical events in my brain caused by physics and environmental stimuli. It must be the case, unless you believe if you looked close enough you'd find ions or forces appearing out of thin air. Speaking of which, even if we found this against all odds, I think my previous argument still holds: every you do is based on "reasons" (causes). Even if that reason is doing a weird thing to prove to yourself you're free. If you did something for no reason it'd be pointless. | |
| May 29, 2023 at 21:11 | comment | added | Andrew Steane | @pete I'm aware of the philosophical debates on this. The cause of the comment you wrote was you yourself, not some arrangement of fundamental particles in the Big Bang and the subsequent unfolding of deterministic laws. Your choice was influenced by all the influences on you, but not dictated by them. Or so it seems to me. | |
| May 29, 2023 at 20:17 | comment | added | pete | @AndrewSteane Wrong, freedom basically has to be due to "reasons", whether they be environmental, internal desires from your brain etc. IF we had this so-called "free will" ability it'd boil down to the ability to do things with no cause. Freedom implies doing what we want; you cannot be "free" if you are doing things for absolutely no reason. | |
| May 14, 2023 at 15:34 | comment | added | Andrew Steane | "free will within a system is necessarily deterministic" reads, to me, like saying "a coin with two sides has only one side". It is a statement which cannot be true. | |
| Mar 24, 2015 at 0:05 | history | answered | CommaToast | CC BY-SA 3.0 |