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"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where $c$ is the speed of light, $α = GMm$ and $L$ is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given $m$ and $L$ and decide which of them is stable.

My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$$$V_\text{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy $E$, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_{eff}(r)$$V_\text{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the $-y$ axis as $r$ goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using $V_{eff}$$V_\text{eff}$, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

Kepler's Laws to Determine Radius of Circular Orbit

"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where $c$ is the speed of light, $α = GMm$ and $L$ is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given $m$ and $L$ and decide which of them is stable.

My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy $E$, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the $-y$ axis as $r$ goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using $V_{eff}$, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

Kepler's laws to determine radius of circular orbit

"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where $c$ is the speed of light, $α = GMm$ and $L$ is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given $m$ and $L$ and decide which of them is stable.

My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_\text{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy $E$, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_\text{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the $-y$ axis as $r$ goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using $V_\text{eff}$, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

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"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where c is the speed of light, α = GMm and L is the angular momentum"

"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where $c$ is the speed of light, $α = GMm$ and $L$ is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given $m$ and $L$ and decide which of them is stable.

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given m and L and decide which of them is stable. My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy E$E$, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the -y$-y$ axis as r$r$ goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using Veff$V_{eff}$, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where c is the speed of light, α = GMm and L is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given m and L and decide which of them is stable. My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy E, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the -y axis as r goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using Veff, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where $c$ is the speed of light, $α = GMm$ and $L$ is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given $m$ and $L$ and decide which of them is stable.

My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy $E$, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the $-y$ axis as $r$ goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using $V_{eff}$, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

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"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where c is the speed of light, α = GMm and L is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given m and L and decide which of them is stable. My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{mr^3}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy E, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the -y axis as r goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using Veff, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where c is the speed of light, α = GMm and L is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given m and L and decide which of them is stable. My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{mr^3}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy E, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the -y axis as r goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using Veff, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

"In nonrelativistic limit of general relativity there is a correction to the Newtonian gravitational potential energy $−h/r^3$ with $h = αL^2/(mc)^2$, where c is the speed of light, α = GMm and L is the angular momentum"

Using this knowledge, I'm supposed to find the radius of circular orbits for a given m and L and decide which of them is stable. My question has to do with how I can actually determine the radii, but bear with me as I show my process thus far:

I e-mailed my professor and was told that I must SUBTRACT this correction factor from gravitational potential energy, which gives me:

$$ V(r) = \frac{-GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2}$$

I can find the effective potential to be:

$$V_{eff}(r) = \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}-\frac{GMm}{r} - \frac{GMmL^2}{r^3(mc)^2} $$

Based on information in my textbook, I'd imagine that I must graph the effective potential and the straight line of my constant energy E, and the two radii will be the points where the energy line intersects the $V_{eff}(r)$ curve. My problem arises when I try to graph it.

If I draw a qualitative graph simply by using $\frac{1}{r^2} - \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r^3}$ I get a curve with no apparent extrema that approaches 0 from the -y axis as r goes to infinity. With other graphs I've drawn using Veff, I've gotten curves that make sense - I see a local maximum or minimum, and I assume that the planet could stay "trapped" between the two "walls" of the minimum. In this case, of course, I see none of that.

My question is (hopefully) a lot more general than just this example, "How do I find the potential radii of the orbiting planet using Kepler's Laws?" Unless I've made a mistake in my process, I don't believe I can find them using this method. I'd imagine I could find them with a lot of calculus and rearranging, but I'm sure there must be a simpler way.

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