Timeline for Reusing the bremsstrahlung energy in circular accelerators?
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| May 13, 2014 at 15:48 | comment | added | dmckee --- ex-moderator kitten | I'm not quite sure what to say to to "See the answer here". Dario told you how much energy is lost, but he didn't talk about getting it back because almost all of it is thermalized and thermodynamically unavailable. It's not like generations of accelerator physicists (yes, that is a discipline and it has even generated a Noble Prize) haven't been banging their heads on this problem. | |
| May 13, 2014 at 13:57 | comment | added | peterh | @KyleKanos You didn't explained, why. He did. Compare "smart people know better that is impossible" vs. "it is impossible, because ..." | |
| May 13, 2014 at 13:51 | comment | added | Kyle Kanos | @PeterHorvath: Dario's answer is the same as my last comment: some people thought of this and came to the conclusion that there was no practical way of getting the energy back. | |
| May 13, 2014 at 13:49 | comment | added | peterh | @KyleKanos See the answer here. Exactly this was the missing piece. | |
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| May 13, 2014 at 13:42 | answer | added | DarioP | timeline score: 6 | |
| May 13, 2014 at 12:43 | comment | added | peterh | @KyleKanos I read and understood. This is exactly what I try to find out now. Please read the discussion of the referred question ( physics.stackexchange.com/questions/112483/… ). | |
| May 13, 2014 at 12:40 | comment | added | Kyle Kanos | Also, you completely missed the point of my first comment. I'm sure some people thought of this and came to the conclusion that there was no practical way of getting the energy back. | |
| May 13, 2014 at 12:39 | comment | added | Kyle Kanos | Ineffective how? As far as I know, circular accelerators get more energetic collisions than linear ones. | |
| May 13, 2014 at 12:35 | comment | added | peterh | @KyleKanos Exactly this is which I try to find out now: what are they doing about this, or why it is practically impossible. The current situation is that mainstream accelerators need to be driven in much ineffectiver configuration because of the bremsstrahlung (see physics.stackexchange.com/questions/112483/… ). | |
| May 13, 2014 at 12:31 | comment | added | Kyle Kanos | Thousands of very intelligent people designed the particle accelerators you listed, I sincerely doubt that all of them missed on this one. | |
| May 13, 2014 at 12:05 | comment | added | peterh | @Flint72 No. I am thinking reusing the energy of an active, big accelerator which the goal of the reduction of the total energy need. | |
| May 13, 2014 at 12:03 | comment | added | Flint72 | Many old accelerators use their Bremsstrahlung for Chemistry/ Biology type experiments after new bigger machines are built. This is the case with DESY, which is now lots of Chemistry and Biology experiments set up around the ring. Would you count this as "getting back" the radiation. It is indeed being used for experimentation. | |
| May 13, 2014 at 12:02 | history | edited | peterh | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 13, 2014 at 11:57 | history | edited | peterh | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 13, 2014 at 11:57 | comment | added | peterh | @annav Back to the energy provider of the accelerator. Of course, indirectly the particles will get it back. I know that vacuum technologies aren't really simple, I thought only about the theoretical complexity. | |
| May 13, 2014 at 11:53 | comment | added | anna v | It is not clear what you mean by "get this energy back". Back to the individual particle? Not lose it as energy? You realize that all these particles run around in a vacuum and vacuum technologies are not that simple? | |
| May 13, 2014 at 11:49 | history | edited | peterh | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 13, 2014 at 11:43 | history | asked | peterh | CC BY-SA 3.0 |