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revised How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
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Jan
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
@Anna, thanks for your edit. This gives an argument, that there is no causal relation.
Jan
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
@anna v Thanks for your post, but sorry, I don't see how this answers my question, you just rephrase the statement, my question is about, and then recall some other (well known) facts about EM-waves, but I don't see the relation to my question.
Jan
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
@GennaroTedesco Ok, that answers the second part of my question about the causal part. So you would agree that there is no causal relation just as I wrote it above. What do you mean about the logical part?
Jan
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
@GennaroTedesco Weaker in logical sense. Just like: "Every polynomial over $\mathbb{C}$ of degree $n > 0$ has at least one root" is (true but) weaker than "Every polynomial over $\mathbb{C}$ of degree $n > 0$ has exactly $n$ roots".
Jan
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
@CuriousOne No this is a physical question in the realm of this formalism. If you want a covariant notation you may ask the same question about the components of $F_{\mu\nu}$ given a fixed reference system, so if you want: "The question is notation covariant" :-).
Jan
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revised How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
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Jan
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
@GennaroTedesco Often one hears explanations of electromagnetic waves on high school or undergraduate level, where someone says something like: "The idea is that the changing magnetic field induces a changing electric field and the other way around." This is stronger (but wrong as stated in my question). And you get the feeling that this should "explain" the occurence of the electromagnetic wave. So I expect there is some stronger (but correct) interpretation of this statement than my first interpretation in my questioni.
Jan
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
@GennaroTedesco: As indicated in my question there are possible (but maybe wrong) stronger interpretations, so the first interpretation is the weakest one occuring in my question and the weakest one I know.
Jan
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comment How can one meaningfully say that one field generates the other in an EM-wave?
@CuriousOne I don't really see how your comment relates to my question.
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Jan
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comment Detailed form of light waves in vacuum and how to test it experimentally?
But an LED or light bulb is not a dipole!?
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comment Detailed form of light waves in vacuum and how to test it experimentally?
@RobJeffries Do you have a reference of how the EM-field of a light bulb or LED or something like that look like (formulas and/or plots)?
Jan
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comment Do the electric and magnetic components of an electromagnetic wave really generate each other?
@AndreaDiBiagio Can you link your point about the mutual reduction and overshoot more close to the mathematical theory? I don't see this from the equations. Only that if there is a changing magnetic field the curl of the electric field is not zero, which just implies that the electric field is not zero everywhere and the other way around. So I see only that the change of one field with time implies logically (which is not necessary causally) that the other field must exist (but doesn't say directly something about "generation" or "reduction").
Jan
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comment Detailed form of light waves in vacuum and how to test it experimentally?
@RobJeffries I am talking about light waves in vacuum. Consider a LED or light bulb in vaccuum or the light of a star...
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