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comment How does one prove:$\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}=0$?
$B_x$ and $B_y$ have been assumed to be zero individually in the above comment.Small non-zero values of $B_x$ and $B_y$ definitely changes the picture. What about B_z?It as not supposed to produce any acceleration in the z-direction directly through magnetic effects or indirectly through electrical forces!
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comment How does one prove:$\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}=0$?
Point to Observe:If $\vec{B}$ varies spatially only in the z direction,we may have electric forces only in the y-z plane and not in the z direction.(Initial electric field is assumed to be zero).This follows from the Curl B equation The model proposed will not produce any force in the z-direction initially.Magnetic force being normal to $\vec{B}$ will also be on the x-y plane. There will no force in the z direction --electrical or magnetic in nature.
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comment How does one prove:$\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}=0$?
Edit:For the above comment $\int \vec{E}\rho dV=\nabla(\vec{\mu_0}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}$Integration should cover all the chage in the current loop.
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comment How does one prove:$\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}=0$?
Magnetic force cannot perform work but electric field can do work.Such a field may result from the spatial variation of B from the curl B equation[comment to the answer may be considered]
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comment How does one prove:$\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}=0$?
Spatial variation of $\vec{B}$ can produce an electric field:$\nabla \times \vec{B}=\mu_0 \vec{j}+\mu_0 \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial \vec{E}}{\partial t}$.If $\vec{E}\cdot\vec{dr}=\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}$ to produce non-zero work then,$\vec{E}=\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})$. How do you prove that by direct calculation?[here you have a view of the problem through the differential equations which are supposed to represent the physical conditions accurately.]
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comment How does one prove:$\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}=0$?
Let the magnetic field be in the x direction.If the observer moves along the y direction with a uniform speed v,we have $\vec{E}=\gamma(\vec{v}\times\vec{B})$. The electric field accelerates the charged changing its speed and doing work. Initially there was a acceleration normal to the direction of motion. But now we have acceleration due to change of speed also . If the net acceleration changes the radiating power should be different from the two frames.But energy is not an invariant wrt frame transformation though it is a conserved quantity. It might have different values in differentframes
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comment How does one prove:$\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}=0$?
You can think of redistribution of charges and currents elsewhere(gadgets producing the field) to produce an electric field due to variations of magnetic field at some fixed point. But a pure magnetic field which does not vary with time cannot perform any work.What would be your mechanism for accounting for such variations of $\vec{B}$ in evaluating:$ \nabla (\vec{\mu_m}.\vec{B}).\vec{dr}$. What would be the mechanism of including electric field in the said evaluation of elementary work?
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asked How does one prove:$\nabla(\vec{\mu_m}\cdot\vec{B})\cdot\vec{dr}=0$?
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comment The Stern Gerlach Experiment Revisited
In so far as the last equation in the answer is concerned, the value of x is the same for all particles passing though the region of interaction of the magnetic field. The value of y is confined to the dimemsions of the region of interaction. Its becomes negligible due to the large vale of $\frac{C_1}{k}$. We have in effect:$\frac{C_1}{k}z+\frac{c_2}{k}=(V\pm v_m \frac{C_1}{k})t$
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comment The Stern Gerlach Experiment Revisited
We may take $\langle v_x \rangle=\langle v_y \rangle$. They correspond to internal motion.The averages masy be taken over time or space and they should be equal in consideration of the Ergodicity principle
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comment The Stern Gerlach Experiment Revisited
Do you find anything counter-intuitive with the above considerations(ie, the answer provided)?Classical prejudice seems to be working out excellently ,at least with the problem at hand---the Stern-Gerlach Experiment.