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What is the connection between Poisson brackets and commutators?

The Poisson bracket is defined as: $$\{f,g\}_{PB} ~:=~ \sum_{i=1}^{N} \left[ \frac{\partial f}{\partial q_{i}} \frac{\partial g}{\partial p_{i}} - \frac{\partial f}{\partial p_{i}} \frac{\partial ...
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Does the poisson bracket $\{f,g\}$ have any meaning if neither of $f$ or $g$ is the system's Hamiltonian?

Say one has a mechanical system with hamiltonian $H$, and two other arbitrary observables $f,g$. $H$ is super useful since $\{H, \cdot\} = \frac{d}{dt}$. But does $\{f,g\}$ give any useful information ...
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Understanding Poisson brackets

In quantum mechanics, when two observables commute, it implies that the two can be measured simultaneously without perturbing each other's measurement results. Or in other words, the uncertainty in ...
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When do phase space functions' Poisson brackets inherit the Lie algebra structure of a symmetry?

I've seen several examples of phase space functions whose Poisson brackets (or Dirac brackets) have the same algebra as the Lie algebra of some symmetry. For example, for plain old particle motion in ...
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What is the physical interpretation of the Poisson bracket [duplicate]

Apologies if this is a really basic question, but what is the physical interpretation of the Poisson bracket in classical mechanics? In particular, how should one interpret the relation between the ...
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Connection between Poisson Brackets and Symplectic Form

Jose and Saletan say the matrix elements of the Poisson Brackets (PB) in the $ {q,p} $ basis are the same as those of the inverse of the symplectic matrix $ \Omega^{-1} $, whereas the matrix elements ...
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What does symplecticity imply?

Symplectic systems are a common object of studies in classical physics and nonlinearity sciences. At first I assumed it was just another way of saying Hamiltonian, but I also heard it in the context ...
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Physical intuition for deformation quantization of Poisson manifolds

First of all, I know almost nothing about physics. I was reading Kontsevich´s paper on Deformation quantization of Poisson manifolds, however I could not figure out what´s the intuition for such ...
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Find the Hamiltonian given $\dot p$ and $\dot q$

I have these equations: $$\dot p=ap+bq,$$ $$\dot q=cp+dq,$$ and I have to find the conditions such as the equations are canonical. Then, I have to find the Hamiltonian $H$. To answer to the first ...
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Poisson structure comes from hamiltonian?

I am interested in studying quantization, but it seems I am lacking the basics of classical mechanics. Any help would be appreciated. I would first like to ask what is necessary to have a ...
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Which transformations are canonical?

Which transformations are canonical? Why do canonical transformations preserve the measure of integration in phase space?
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Mathematical interpretation of Poisson Brackets

Lets say we are working in a classical scalar field theory and we have two functional $ F[\phi, \pi](x)$ and $G[\phi, \pi](x)$. In most of the references, starting with two functional the Poisson ...
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Physical interpretation of Poisson bracket properties

In classical Hamiltonian mechanics evolution of any observable (scalar function on a manifold in hand) is given as $$\frac{dA}{dt} = \{A,H\}+\frac{\partial A}{\partial t}$$ So Poisson bracket is a ...
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Poisson brackets of the Kepler Problem

For the hamiltonian of a particle of unit mass in a kepler potential: $$H = \frac{1}{2}\mathbf{p} \cdot \mathbf{p} - \frac{\mu}{r}$$ The angular momentum vector is given by: $\mathbf{L} = \mathbf{r} ...
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Are Poisson brackets of second-class constraints independent of the canonical coordinates?

Say we have a constraint system with second-class constraints $\chi_N(q,p)=0$. To define Dirac brackets we need the Poisson brackets of these constraints: $C_{NM}=\{\chi_N(q,p),\chi_M(q,p)\}_P$ . Is ...
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Heisenberg picture of QM as a result of Hamilton formalism

Consider the formula for the total time-derivative of a physical value in Poisson's formalism: $$\tag{1} \frac{dA}{dt} = -\{H, A\}_{P.B.} + \frac{\partial A}{\partial t}, $$ where $\{A, B\}_{P.B.}$ is ...
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Clever way to show a property of Lie transformation

Given the following Lie transformation: $$ \exp(\lbrace H, \cdot \rbrace):=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{(\lbrace H, \cdot \rbrace)^n}{n!} $$ and apply it to a Poisson Bracket $\lbrace g_1, g_2 ...
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Symplectic leaves, tori and Poisson manifolds

For classical systems we can define a configuration manifold, whose cotangent bundle is a momentum phase space equipped with a closed, non-degenerate 2-form. Upon the commutative algebra of smooth ...
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How to find out whether a transformation is a canonical transformation?

We had a couple of examples where we were supposed to calculate the Canonical Transformation (CT), but we never actually talked about a condition that decides whether a transformation is a canonical ...
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The string Poisson bracket

Where does the factor $\frac{1}{T}$ ($T$ is the string tension) in this Poisson bracket come from? $$ \{X^{\mu}(\tau,\sigma),\dot{X}^{\nu}(\tau,\sigma')\} ~=~ ...
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Hamilton formalism for Dirac spinors

Let's have the Dirac free lagrangian: $$ L = \bar {\Psi} (i\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu} - m) \Psi . $$ I can rewrite it as $$ L = i\Psi^{\dagger}\partial_{0}\Psi - H_{d}, \quad H_{d} = ...
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Classical Limit of Commutator

In Dirac's book Principles of quantum mechanics (4th ed., pgs 87-88), he seems to give a very elementary argument as to how the commutator $[X,P]$ reduces to the Poisson brackets ${x,p}$ in the limit ...
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A question about canonical transformation

I have posted this question in math.stackexchange before with no answer till now. It may be more suitable to post here. There is a problem in Arnold's Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics ...
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About constraints of the first class and electrodynamics

Consider a theory in the Hamiltonian formalism and assume that it has constraints between canonical variables $Q, \pi$. By the Dirac terminology, the set of constraints $F_{a}(Q, \pi) \approx 0$ of ...
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Clarifications about Poisson brackets and Levi-Civita symbol

I need some clarifications about Poisson brackets. I know canonical brackets and the properties of Poisson Brackets and I also know something about Levi-Civita symbol (definition and basic ...
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How the Poisson bracket transform when we change coordinates?

I'm studying the book Geometric Mechanics by Darryl D. Holm and there's one exercise in the book I'm not quite getting what has to be done. The same discussion the author makes in the book is made on ...
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What exactly is the relationship between the symplectic 2-form and the frequency of leaves of integrable systems in classical mechanics?

In classical mechanics we equip a differential manifold with a closed symplectic 2-form $\omega$. The symplectic leaves of integrable systems also have a unique frequency, in literature denoted ...
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Show that the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector is conserved using poisson brackets

(I realise similar Phys.SE questions already exist but there is no answer with the Poisson bracket notation, I'll take this down if someone lets me know I should have commented in the existing ...
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Poisson brackets: prove that they are canonical invariants

EDIT: I haven't forgotten to accept answer, the question is still open.. I need a clarification about Poisson brackets. I'm studying on Goldstein's Classical Mechanics (1 ed.). Goldstein proves ...
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Two components of angular momentum conserved $\Rightarrow $ All three components are conserved?

I was wondering whether it is correct to say that if two components of the angular momentum are conserved, then all three Cartesian coordinates of the angular momentum are conserved? I would regard ...
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Is there any relation between Poisson Brackets and the Jacobian Matrix?

The Poisson brackets for $u,v$ can be written as, $$ \frac{\partial u}{\partial q} \frac{\partial v}{\partial p} - \frac{\partial u}{\partial p}\frac{\partial v}{\partial q}. $$ We can write this ...
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Geometric mechanics - Symplecticity

I am just trying to wade through literature on classical mechanics and I really don't know where to start, everything is Fibre bundle this or manifold that, and doesn't really ease you in to the ...
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Yang-Mills constraints and Poisson brackets

Let's have constraints for Yang-Mills theory: $$ \varphi_{a} = \partial_{i}\pi^{i}_{a} - f_{abc}\pi^{b}_{i}A^{c}_{i}. $$ I have read the statement that $$ \tag 1 [\varphi_{a}(\mathbf x), ...
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Fermionic Poisson bracket

I'd like to understand the Poisson bracket for fermions in classical field theory defined on a cylinder (with coordinates $(t,x)$, $x$ being the compact direction) and propagating on $T^n$ with ...
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Poisson brackets and angular momentum

I'm trying to find $[M_i, M_j]$ Poisson brackets. $$\{M_i, M_j\}=\sum_l \left(\frac{\partial M_i}{\partial q_l}\frac{\partial M_j}{\partial p_l}-\frac{\partial M_i}{\partial p_l}\frac{\partial ...
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Canonical Commutation Relations in arbitrary Canonical Coordinates

If one were to formulate quantum mechanics in an arbitrary canonical coordinate system, does he impose canonical commutation relations using Dirac's recipe? ...
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Canonical transformation and Hamilton's equations

I was trying to prove, that for a transformation to be Canonical, one must have a relationship: $$ \left\{ Q_a,P_i \right\} = \delta_{ai} $$ Where $Q_a = Q_a(p_i,q_i)$ and $P_a = P_a(p_i,q_i)$. Now ...
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Poisson brackets and magnetic field [closed]

I'm a maths student trying to teach myself some physics so sorry if I'm missing something simple here. I think the main problem is lack of experience with the Levi-Cevita symbol. We have a particle ...
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Landau's Problem - Poisson bracks of a spherical symmetry function and angular momuntum in z axis

In landau's Mechanics, there's a problem: I think, if the function has the property spherical symmetry, or: $\phi(r,p)=\phi(-r,-p)$ The form suggested by Landau follows this property, but I can't ...
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Dirac bracket for a constrained particle

I am trying to work through a simple example of how to use the Dirac bracket from the following paper. In particular section 4 where the authors consider a constrained particle with the following ...
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Poisson brackets in curved spacetime

The time evolution of any field $\phi$ is given in terms of the Poisson bracket with the Hamiltonian, $$ \frac{\partial\phi}{\partial t} = \{\phi, H\}. $$ How does this relation change in curved ...
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Poisson brackets for constrained system

Let's have some Hamiltonian which involves the set of first class constraints $\varphi$ and set of constraints $\kappa $, which play role of canonical conjugated momentums for $\varphi$,. They're ...
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How exactly is the Poisson bracket of the modes of a classical string defined?

In the theory of a classical bosonic string, we have expressions like: $$ \{\alpha^\mu_m,\alpha^\nu_n \} = - i m \delta_{m,-n} \eta^{\mu \nu} $$ were $\alpha^\mu_n$ are the Fourier modes of the ...
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Why is $\{Q, P\} = 1$ for a canonical transformation?

Why is $\{Q, P\} = 1$ for a canonical transformation? Given $P(p,q)$ and $Q(p,q)$.
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Deriving the Poisson bracket relation of the Ashtekar variables

I'm trying to figure out how to calculate the orthogonality of Ashtekar variables with respect to the ADM hypersurface metric and conjugate momentum. $$\{{A_a}^i(x), {E^b}_j(y)\} = 8 \pi \beta ...
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Hodge dual and the Moyal bracket? Any link? [closed]

I have already asked this on the mathematics Stack exchange but I thought I'd try it here too! The Hodge star operator $\star$ is a linear map between $\bigwedge ^pV$ and $\bigwedge ^{n-p}V$ for an ...
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Questions about closed forms and cycles

I read the section closed forms and cycles in Arnold's Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics (page 196-200), but the problems in this section is too difficult to solve in the way following the ...
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The correspondence between Poisson bracket and Commutators in Quantum Mechanics

I don't understand canonical quantization. In passing from classical to quantum, one replaces the Poisson brackets with the commutators. I don't really understand this. How can we generally show that ...
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Is a vector field not a vector quantity?

I'm trying to make sense of Poisson bracket relation $$\{L_i,A_k\}_{PB}~=~\epsilon_{ikl}A_l,\tag1$$ where $L_i$ is $i$th component of angular momentum, $A_k$ is $k$th component of an arbitrary ...
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Find the error: If $L_x$ and $L_y$ are zero, then $L_z$ is conserved

From Goldstein's Classical Mechanics (2nd ed.), problem 38 of chapter 9 basically says the following: It's been shown that the Poisson bracket of two constants of the motion is also a constant of ...