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Uses for Action from Lagrangian Mechanics

In my course on Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics I noticed that we dealt with finding the stationary point of the change in action $ \delta S $ and we were never really doing anything with $ S $ ...
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Lagrangian under time transformation

Given a Lagrangian $$L(q,\dot{q},t)=\sum_{ij}a_{ij}(q)\dot{q}_i\dot{q}_j-V(q_1,q_2,\cdots,q_f)$$show that under a time transformation $t=\lambda T$ ($\lambda$ = constant), the invariance of ...
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Conservation of energy when the Lagrangian includes a potential function

When proving that the homogeneity of time leads to the conservation of energy, (This is the proof from Landau for the case when there is no field present.) (Uses the Einstein's summation ...
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Peskin and Schroeder passive and active translation

In peskin and Schroeder's qft book, in chapter two, they're discussing Noether's theorem with respect to translations of co-ordinates. They describe and "infinitesimal" translation $x^\mu\rightarrow ...
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Trouble with Landau & Lifshitz

Hello I have a quick question on what I have been reading in Landau & Lifshitz's book on classical mechanics. I am in the very beginning of the book and I am having trouble with his derivation on ...
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Is the principle of least action fully equivalent to the Euler-Lagrange equations?

I am citing from Landau and Lifschitz, this statement that will seem to you well-known, trivial, etc: "Between these positions, (i.e. $q_1$ and $q_2$) the system moves then in such a way that the ...
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How to diagonalise the Lagrangian mass term with SU(4) symmetry and self-dual tensors

I should write the mass term of the Lagrangian with global SO(4) symmetry in tensor representation with anti-symmetric tensors and then diagonalise this term with defining a new set of tensors ...
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Direction of velocity confusion on inclined plane

In Taylor's book Classical Mechanics, pg. 259, he works through the following example: Consider the following block and wedge system: The block ($m$) is free to slide on the wedge and the wedge (mass ...
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Determine generalised coordinates in Lagrangian problems

Can someone teach me how to find out generalised coordinates in a particular system? I've been struggling few days about this...here are 2 cases... A body with mass $m$ is lying on a smooth, ...
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Does time invariance conclude conservation of energy? [closed]

I find it hard to understand that time-translation invariance necessarily implies conservation of energy. As I understand it, Noether's theorem says that there is an energy conservation because the ...
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Lagrangians with higher derivatives than Klein-Gordon [duplicate]

Has anyone ever tried to work with Lagrangians involving higher derivatives? The Klein-Gordon Lagrangian only involves $(\frac{\partial}{\partial t})^2$ and $\nabla^2$ terms, what about third and ...
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Where does the Lagrangian come from? [duplicate]

It always puzzles me whenever I work on Lagrangian equations. It is easy to see that $L=T-V$ yields the correct equations of motion, but the question is, how do you get to that formula? Is it trial ...
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Deriving the Canonical Energy Momentum Tensor

In the Mathematics for Physics of Stone and Goldbart the canonical energy momentum tensor is derived by the action principle as follows. To the action of the form $$ S=\int ...
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Ostrogradski’s theorem's proof

I am looking for a proof of the next theorem: "If the higher order time derivative Lagrangian is non-degenerate, there is at least one linear instability in the Hamiltonian of this system." Where ...
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Is there a general formula to translate from *canonical* to *physical* momentum?

In Peskin and Schroeder, after having derived a conserved tensor $T^{\mu \nu}$ associated with translations in space-time (the stress-energy tensor), it is said that the charges $\int d^3 x T^{0i}$: ...
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Field Lagrangian <--> Particle Lagrangian

The action-functionals describing the motion $\mathbf{x}:[a,b]\to \mathbb{R}^3$ of a free particle of mass $m$ and the evolution $\varphi:[a,b]\times \Omega\to \mathbb{R}$ of a free scalar field of ...
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Obtaining momentum operator $P^\mu$ from Lagrangian and energy-momentum tensor $T^{\mu\nu}$

I am pretty new to quantum field theory. Given the Lagrangian density, $$ \mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{2} ( \partial_\mu \phi ) ( \partial^\mu \phi ) - \frac{1}{2} m^2 \phi^2 $$ and its energy-momentum ...
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Why do we need spontaneous symmetry breaking in Lagrangian formalism?

I have always struggled with the concept of spontaneous symmetry breaking. It seems to me that many others don't find it very intuitive as well, but that could be just me having difficulties with the ...
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Lagrangian for second-order system

Given an $n$-dimensional second-order system $$\ddot q^i-\sum_{j=1}^n A^i_j\dot q^j=0,$$ where $A$ is a constant matrix, is it possible to find a Lagrangian such that the above equation is the ...
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Coupled wheel and rod (analytical mechanics) [closed]

I am struggling with formulating the equations of motion. Consider a coordinate system with origin in $O$ ($y$ upwards and $x$ to the right), label the center of mass of rod $AB$ with $G$ then: ...
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Rotational KE in double pendulum

Why the Rotational Kinetic Energy term for the point mass of Kinetic Energy for double pendulum is not included in Lagrangian equation? \begin{align} ...
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Hamiltonian for a Lagrangian with coupling

I am dealing with the following Lagrangian density $$\mathscr{L}_{em}= -\frac{1}{2}\rho\omega^2 u^2 +\frac{1}{2}\nabla u:\Sigma :\nabla ...
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How one can know the gauge field emerging from the local gauge invariance is actually the EM field? [closed]

How one can know the gauge field emerging from the local gauge invariance is actually the EM field? I understood in a simple scalar field whose Lagrangian is given by $ \mathcal{L} = ...
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How would gravitons couple to the Stress-Energy tensor?

How would gravitons couple to the Stress-Energy tensor $T^{\mu\nu}$? How did physicists arrive at this result? I've read that it follows from the analysis of irreducible representations of the ...
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Practical Book on Hamiltonian and Lagrangians? [duplicate]

Are there any terse, accessible books that are geared specifically at learning these two formalisms and how to effectively use them? So far I've only see either topic introduced as a part of another ...
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Total divergence term and corresponding Feynman Diagram

A total divergence term added to the Lagrangian doesn’t affect the action because the integral of a total divergence vanishes. But if one attempts to derive the Feynman rules from the Lagrangian with ...
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Euler-Lagrange equation (equation of motion) solution with hairy Lagrangian [closed]

I'm going through Zwiebach Chapter 6 on relativistic strings to try to solve a similar problem. I got all the way to my equation of motion \begin{eqnarray*} \delta S & = & [ p' \delta ...
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Is the weak interaction Lagrangian invariant under parity transformations?

The weak interaction term in the Lagrangian reads $$ \bar \Psi \gamma_\mu P_L \Psi W^\mu. $$ Under parity transformations, because of $\Psi \rightarrow \gamma_0 \Psi$ and $\gamma_5 \rightarrow ...
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Modeling external forces in Lagrangian dynamics

For example, consider a system with a block on a flat, frictionless surface. On one side is a spring connecting the block to a wall. On the other side, a person's hand is pushing the block towards the ...
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Intuition behind Hamilton's Variational Principle

Background: I am an upper level undergraduate physics student who just completed a course in classical mechanics, concluding with Lagrangian Mechanics and Hamilton's Variational Principle. My ...
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Why is electric charge the conserved quantity corresponding to global $U(1)$ symmetry? [duplicate]

An example of a symmetry transformation for certain Lagrangians (notably the canonical complex scalar field Lagrangian) is multiplication of the fields by a complex phase. When we multiply the fields ...
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Is there an error in Susskinds' derivation of Euler-Lagrange equations?

http://imgur.com/kZO5C0V First, I believe there is a trivial error. The second equation should have another $\Delta t$ multiplying everything on the right. It is divided out later when the equation ...
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Equilibrium Points in Lagrangian Mechanics

Suppose we have a one particle system with generalized coordinates $q_i$. In classical mechanics, the corresponding Lagrangian is $L = T - V$. Assume $V(q)$ is time-independent. What additional ...
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Mass particle trajectory on a sphere

So, I am trying to simulate mass particle motion on the outer surface of sphere using cartesian coordinates. Let's conclude just a gravity and frictionless movement. Sphere $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 1$, ...
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Origin of momentum. Noether's theorem

My professor talked about Noether's theorem and how translation is the origin of momentum conservation. But why is it not velocity that is conserved but mass times velocity. And on the same note why ...
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Maxwell Lagrangian at weak fields

In http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9506035 the authors said after writing this equation: $$\frac{1}{4}\eta^{\mu\nu\lambda\rho} F_{\mu\nu}F_{\lambda\rho} = \eta_{\sigma\tau\alpha\beta}\frac{\partial ...
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What are the end points in the action integral of field theory?

In the mechanics of particles when we apply the principle of the least action the two end points are two spatial coordinates. Therefore, if we consider the variation of the action with respect to the ...
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Is there a method to obtain a Lagrangian from the equations of motion? [duplicate]

From the standpoint of the mathematical framework behind Lagrangians and their corresponding action, is there a method to invert the process? If not, is this an open question or is there some aspect ...
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Separation of variables (integration)

If $u=\frac{1}{2} E^2$ and $ v=\frac{1}{2}B^2$ and we have that $$\frac{\partial L}{\partial u} \frac{\partial L}{\partial v} = -1$$ The author says: to obtain explicit solution of the above, ...
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State space equation for spring pendulum

Let's say we have a spring pendulum, where the spring itself is massless, and there is no damping at the hinge. That is, the only things we are concerned about are the forces applied by the spring and ...
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Three masses on a circle connected by spring

How would I go about finding the normal modes of three masses on a circular hoop, with springs connecting them across the circle, in a triangle (assume the spring constants and masses are the same). I ...
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Is there a mathematical reason for the Lagrangian to be Lorentz invariant?

The Hamiltonian is the energy, which is just one component of a four-vector and therefore not Lorentz invariant. The Lagrangian is the Legendre transform of the Hamiltonian and I was wondering if ...
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Is the movement of a projectile in 2D a Holonomic system? [closed]

Is the well known problem of the movement of a projectile, no friction, in two dimensions a holonomic system? If yes.. Why? If Not.. Why?
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Electric Magnetic duality

In this paper http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9705122 Section 2 We have $$S_A = \frac{1}{4g^2} \int{d^4x F_{\mu\nu}(A)F^{\mu\nu}(A)}$$ where $F_{\mu\nu}(A) = \partial_{[\mu A\nu]}$. Its Bianchi Identity ...
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Stability of a system

What do we mean by "stability of a system " in a Lagrangian of a model? Let's say that we have a very simple model like this $$L=\frac{1}{2}K_{ij}\dot{q}_i\dot{q}_j-\frac{1}{2}F_{ij}q_iq_j,$$ where ...
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Least Action Principle (Classical and Quantum Theory)

I) My first question would be "why should classical systems obey the principle of least action ?" When we find out the propagator in quantum physics, we find the amplitude to be equal to the sum over ...
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Geodesic Equation from variation: Is the squared lagrangian equivalent?

It is well known that geodesics on some manifold $M$, covered by some coordinates ${x_\mu}$, say with a Riemannian metric can be obtained by an action principle . Let $C$ be curve $\mathbb{R} \to M$, ...
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Is global gauge symmetry really a symmetry and local conserved current in gauge theories?

One way to define a gauge theory is that whenever the Lagrangian is invariant under some local transformations, we say these local transformations are local gauge transformations and the theory is a ...
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Does the lagrangian contain all the information about the representations of the fields in QFT?

Given the Lagrangian density of a theory, are the representations on which the various fields transform uniquely determined? For example, given the Lagrangian for a real scalar field $$ \mathscr{L} = ...
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Finding Lagrangian with Non-holonomic constraints

I am stuck working on a problem that involves finding the Lagrangian for a free particle constrained to move on the surface of a disk of radius $a$. The particle collides elastically with the edge of ...