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Identical particles: Why only two possibilities?

Given two identical particles, Wikipedia says that the wavefunction of a combined system where the first particle is in state $|n_1\rangle$ and the other one is in $|n_2\rangle$ is ...
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No two identical fermions can have the same quantum state at once?

This is the Pauli Exclusion Principle, but I have a question about it... It states that no two identical fermions can have the same quantum state, but what about different fermions having the same ...
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Why are electrons alike but photons not?

Perhaps this is a misconception, but why are electrons alike and photons not? Given two photons, they may differ by having different frequencies (energies). Given two electrons, there are just two ...
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Diagonal part of the configuration space of two indistinguishable quantum particles

Why is the configuration space of two indistinguishable particles given by $\frac{M^n-\Delta}{S_n}$? My question is about the $\Delta$. (Notation: $M$ is the configuration space of 1 particle. $M^n$ ...
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About the factorial N! in the partition function

After reading these posts: Why is the partition function divided by $(h^{3N} N!)$? , What is the resolution to Gibb's paradox?, and some of these: http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.4111 , ...
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Why is the partition function divided by $(h^{3N} N!)$?

When computing partition functions for classical systems with $N$ particles with a given Hamiltonian $H$ I've seen some places writing it as $$Z = \dfrac{1}{h^{3N} N!}\int e^{-\beta H(p,q)}dpdq$$ ...
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Are all ground state protons the exact same mass and have the same number of elementary particles?

I have read that it is a misconception that a proton only has 3 quarks (2 up and one down). In reality, it seems there are many, many ("zillions" is the number I saw quoted) quarks in a proton. Do ...
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Enforcing the exchange criteria for two particles in a box in different states

Suppose you have two identical particles (for simplicity we can think of spin 0 bosons for which are represented as a scalar wave-functions, but fermions have a similar problem) in a 1D box that ...
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Summing over quantum states

For a system of $N$ identical particles we deal in quantum mechanics with wave functions $\langle \{\mathbf{r}_i \} \mid \Psi \rangle=\Psi(\mathbf{r}_1,\dots,\mathbf{r}_N)$ from which determine the ...
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What logical/mathematical proof do we have to show that, everything which is called electron are identically the same? [duplicate]

Premise 1: Physics don't believe in sense "organs" of the human "robot" (more commonly said "common sense deceives us"). Premise 2: Physics believes in logic or mathematics. Background thrust: ...
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Meaning of the symmetrisation postulate in absence of a proper model

My question is on the use of the concept of indistinguishable particles (in quantum mechanics) in a very general context and in particular in statistical mechanics. I have made clear some of my ...
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multiverse fabric of reality

Source-"fabric of reality"- author d. deutsch - his contention, as I understand it, is that quantum interference is caused by "almost, but not identical quite quantum entities" , e.g. electrons, from ...
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How to determine whether an eigenstate of total spin is symmetric or antisymmetric?

Here we have two identical paticles with spin $I$, integer or half-integer, and there are $(2I+1)^2$ states. Each one of them can be uniquely determined by total spin and its orientation, we can use ...
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Why two-particle wavefunctions are separable and their corresponding particles are indistiguishable at the same time?

If the wavefunction $\psi(r_1,r_2)$ doesn't represents an entangled state, it is separable: $$\psi(r_1,r_2)=\psi_a(r_1)\psi_b(r_2)$$ In this treatment, we ignore the interaction between two particles ...
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Bose Enhancement Factor

How may one explain the fact that the probability of a boson transferring to a state with an occupation number n is 'enhanced' by a factor of (1+n), compared to the classical case? (In the classical ...
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Indistinguishable particles and probability density

I am given the following (probably simple) exercise, but I think I misunderstand something: Let $\psi_{a,b}(r_1,r_2)$ be a two-particle state, calculate the probability density for distinguishable ...
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Two Particle System with Identical Particles

I'm studying for an exam in quantum mechanics and tried to calculate the ground state and the first two excited states of two identical bosons (spin 0) in an infinite one dimensional potential well. ...
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Is a superposition of (anti)symmetric states (anti)symmetric?

Let's say we have the following wavefunction of two identical particles, $A$ and $B$: $$\frac{1}{2}[(\chi(A)\psi(B)\pm\psi(A)\chi(B))+(\phi(A)\eta(B)\pm\eta(A)\phi(B))]$$ Is this properly ...
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Interchange symmetry for states with identical particles

I was reading this web page about interchange symmetry for states with identical particles here: http://quantummechanics.ucsd.edu/ph130a/130_notes/node317.html The article states that the highest ...
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Representation of indistinguishability in quantum mechanics

I was wondering that if particles are indistinguishable in quantum mechanics, then why do we still express their states $\left| \uparrow \downarrow \right\rangle$, as meaning particle 1 (in the first ...
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Classical and Semi-classical treatments of the ideal gas

In the semi-classical treatment of the ideal gas, we write the partition function for the system as $$Z = \frac{Z(1)^N}{N!}$$ where $Z(1)$ is the single particle partition function and $N$ is the ...
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Identical Particles, Why and How?

I know this question is going to be borderline philosophy, but please humor me. What is the significance oh identical particles? I can understand that two particles can be identical, but then it ...
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Grand canonical partition functions for Bose-Einstein statistics vs. Maxwell-Boltzmann statistics

In Bose-Einstein statistics, the grand canonical partition function is $$\mathcal{Z}=1+e^{-\beta(\epsilon-\mu)}+e^{-2\beta(\epsilon-\mu)}+e^{-3\beta(\epsilon-\mu)}+\cdots$$ In Maxwell-Boltzmann ...
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Symmetric, antisymmetric and mixed symmetry particles

Can someone explain to me the concept of symmetric, antisymmetric, and mixed symmetry when talking about the states of identical particles?
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What is the resolution to Gibb's paradox?

This question is essentially a duplicate of Gibbs Paradox - why should the change in entropy be zero?. The question concerns the following situation: I have some gas of identical particles and they ...
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Is the $N$ factorial in the Partition function for $N$ indistinguishable particle an approximation?

I suspect that the $N$ factorial in the partition function for N indistinguishable particles $$ Z = \frac{ Z_0^N } {N!} $$ is an approximation. Please someone correct me if I am wrong and why or why ...
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Are atoms unique?

Do atoms have any uniquely identifying characteristic besides their history? For example, if we had detailed information about a specific carbon atom from one of Planck's fingerprints, and could ...
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Total angular momentum in a full shell

I do not understand why it's supposed to be vanishing. Rather than discussing the question in its full generality I prefer to consider the following scenario, which I think sums up anything that's ...
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Electrons, spins, and degeneracy

In an atom, two electrons can have the same set of $n,\ell,m$ quantum numbers as long as they have opposite spins. My introductory physics and chemistry courses have all introduced this as two ...
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Is there is a reason for Pauli's Exclusion Principle?

As a starting quantum physicist I am very interested in reasons why does Pauli's Exclusion Principle works. I mean standard explanations are not quite satisfying. Of course we can say that is because ...
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How are anyons possible? (another version)

I know that this question has been submitted several times (especially see How are anyons possible?), even as a byproduct of other questions, since I did not find any completely satisfactory answers, ...
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How axiomatic is the symmetrization requirement (i.e. the Pauli principle)? (in QM)

I've so far always been told, that the symmetrization requirement is an axiom on the level of the Schrödinger equation and the statistical interpretation of the wave function (or it's absolute value). ...
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Ground State Wavefunction of Two Particles in a Harmonic Oscillator Potential

Question: Two identical, non-interacting spin-$1/2$ particles are in a 1D Harmonic Oscillator Potential. Their Hamiltonian is given by ...
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Aren't all electrons the same? So what about electron that absorbs photon?

I learned that electron absorbs a photon and goes into higher energy state. But also all electrons are identical. What is a difference between the electron in low orbital energy state? and the high ...
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Gibbs Paradox - why should the change in entropy be zero?

The Gibbs paradox deals with the fact that for an ideal gas with $N$ molecules in a volume $V$ seperated by a diaphragm into two subvolumes $V_1,V_2$ with $N_1,N_2$ particles in each subvolume, ...
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What are the differences between indistinguishable and identical?

What is the difference between indistinguishable particles and identical particles?
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Geometric quantization of identical particles

Background: It is well known that the quantum mechanics of $n$ identical particles living on $\mathbb{R}^3$ can be obtained from the geometric quantization of the cotangent bundle of the manifold ...
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Are all electrons identical?

Why should two sub-atomic (or elementary particle) - say electrons need to have identical static properties - identical mass, identical charge? Why can't they differ between each other by a very ...
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Proving that the free energy is extensive

If I have two system of an Ideal gas $A$ and $B$ each of these system has a partition function: $Z_{A,B} = \left ( \frac{V_{A,B}}{\lambda_T} \right )^{N_{A,B}}$ Where: $\lambda_T = \left ( ...