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I noticed that when I had a helium filled, latex ballon inside of my car, it moved forward in the cabin as I accelerated forward. The faster I accelerated forward, the faster the ballon went from the back of the car to the front of the car. The balloon didn't have a string. This became a game with my 4 year old as we drove home. We figured out where the balloon would go based on how fast I accelerated, turned corners etc. I expected that it would act a lot like the water in a cup does, but it was the total opposite it seemed. What forces caused this behavior? I assumed it has something to do with the fluid dynamics in the closed cabin, but I can't figure it out. Help?

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Buoyancy. Air in your car moves backwards increasing pressure at the back of the car so the balloon floats forward. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy –  Brandon Enright Nov 16 '13 at 14:18
    
It's even more fun if you hang a small weight on a string from the balloon... Not large enough to "sink" the balloon, but it indicates "down" for the balloon –  User58220 Nov 17 '13 at 2:05
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According to general relativity, gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable. So if the baloon goes the opposite way in one case, so it must be in the other. –  ugoren Nov 17 '13 at 12:51
    
in otherwords: in an accelerating vehicle the gravitation vector is $\vec g_{veh}=\vec g_{earth}-\vec a_{veh}$ –  ratchet freak Nov 17 '13 at 16:44
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Maybe an easier way to envision the forces involved would be to use a bottle filled with water except for one air bubble. Then, it makes intuitive sense that the bubble moves in opposition to the acceleration. –  kbelder Nov 18 '13 at 22:45

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It travels forwards instead of backwards in an accelerating car for the same reason that a helium balloon travels upwards instead of downwards under the influence of gravity. Why is that?

In an accelerating car, for all intents and purposes the acceleration can be considered a change in the amount and direction of gravity, from pointing straight down to pointing downwards and backwards. The balloon doesn't know and doesn't care if the acceleration is from gravity or from the acceleration of the car; it just tries to move in the direction it naturally moves, namely, against the direction of the acceleration. Thus, it moves forwards when you accelerate. Hopefully you find this explanation intuitively satisfying.

Another more rigorous way to view the problem is through Lagrangian minimization. The balloon can be considered a low-density object embedded in a higher-density fluid constrained within the confines of the car. Under the influence of gravity pointing sideways, the total system potential energy decreases the farther forward the balloon is situated. Since the force is the gradient of the potential, the balloon will try to move forward.

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The explanation is pretty good, but I would add the following: If your car accelerates forward the pressures change in such a way that at the end of the car the pressure is higher than at the beginning. And like DumpsterDoofus explained this is similar how gravity influences the pressure (higher as you go closer to the center). But the ballon doesn't want to "against" the acceleration but simply to the lower pressure area which in the front of the car. –  xZise Nov 16 '13 at 16:51
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Yeah, I didn't even think of the pressure picture when I saw the question, although it's undoubtedly equivalent and probably more intuitive than my explanation for a lot of people; the first thing that visually popped to mind was Lagrangian minimization. –  DumpsterDoofus Nov 16 '13 at 18:41
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@Val, of course we do have a pressure difference. The atmosphere up high is at a lower pressure than the atmosphere at sea level. This happens BECAUSE of gravity - no gravity, no pressure difference (or atmosphere for that matter). DumpsterDoofus's explanation is spot on if you look at it from a slightly physics-educated person's point of view. The acceleration induces a faux-gravity effect, which creates the pressure difference, which causes buoyant forces on the balloon. –  Pranav Hosangadi Nov 17 '13 at 17:05
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@Val, the balloon rises because the pressure higher is less than the pressure at a lower height (and, of course, the resulting buoyant forces are less than its weight). Consider you're in a weightless environment (which eliminates the atmospheric pressure gradient). The balloon wouldn't rise in this case at all. –  Pranav Hosangadi Nov 17 '13 at 17:52
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@Val: Water pushes an oil droplet upwards because of pressure. This fact is intimately related to their densities. Gravitational separation can be explained in terms of pressure. –  DumpsterDoofus Nov 18 '13 at 22:27

When your car accelerates forward, the air inside moves back relative to the car. This creates a slightly high pressure in the rear of the vehicle and a low pressure up front.

Since helium is lighter than air, it moves away from the region of high pressure. A similar balloon filled with $CO_2$ would move back, since it is heavier than the surrounding air

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Looks like I need to have a couple different balloons filled with varying density gases to fully explain that to the budding scientist in the back seat. –  user33986 Nov 16 '13 at 15:06
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Of course, if the balloon is filled with a gas heavier than air, it won't be floating so it wouldn't have room to roam like the helium balloon. But you could suspend it from the roof. –  WinnieNicklaus Nov 16 '13 at 15:54
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I prefer your answer - like you would explain it to your grandmother, as old Einstein said :-) –  Heliac Nov 17 '13 at 13:52
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My kids don't think that lighter things fall slower. Just for the record. –  user33986 Nov 19 '13 at 3:10
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@Val If I dropped a million feathers, it would be heavier than the hammer, but fall much slower. Therefore heavier things fall slower than light things! –  Cruncher Nov 19 '13 at 18:02

Fun question. Here's my "me-too" answer.

Suppose the car has just emerged from a river, so there's a lot of water in it, and the balloon is tied to the floor.

Then you drive away.

enter image description here

The air in the car is just like a bunch of water :)

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This is very intuitive –  Cruncher Nov 18 '13 at 15:40
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I just find the diagram confusing. Which direction is the car travelling, where's the front of the car? Is that a balloon submerged under water? Why? –  wim Nov 18 '13 at 17:09
    
@wim: It's accelerating to the left. Yes, the balloon is tied to the floor. The balloon seeks the surface so as to have the least water "above" it. –  Mike Dunlavey Nov 18 '13 at 19:15
    
@wim baloon was submerged under the water in order to increase the weight contrast. Heilum raises up because it is lighter that air. It is even lighter than water. The lifting force in the water is much stronger therefore. Secondly, the blue water edge also shows you the direction of acceleration. The diagram is intuitive to the extreem, therefore. –  Val Nov 19 '13 at 13:17

It acts precisely like water in a cup. Or, more specifically, like the air in the cup. Since the helium is a much lower density than the nitrogen and other gasses in your car, it can be visualized like an air bubble in a bottle. The container for the helium(the balloon) has negligible mass.

When you accelerate forward, the water in a bottle will move backwards, just like you'd expect. The air bubble will appear to move forward to fill that void left by the water, just like the helium balloon.

Additional forces may come into play as well. There is friction from the rubber on the ceiling. Also, when you accelerate, the center of gravity of your car moves backwards on the wheelbase. The nose of your car lifts, and the tail of your car sinks. When you stop, the opposite happens, and when you turn left, your car leans right, as you can feel. This may tilt the ceiling allowing the balloon to move in response to the tilted ceiling. This could have an effect as well.

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I like your answer the best of all of these. Seems like some people are guessing at the answer saying that the movement of the car is like a "gravity". This is like saying an airplane flies because the propeller cuts through the air in front of it. I don't see any formulas in any of these answers. But I bet you could write one regarding the conservation of energy, with mass and acceleration. Or newton's laws of body in motion tends to stay in motion, body at rest tends to stay at rest. –  badweasel Nov 17 '13 at 5:24
    
Think of having a lever in the car where the sides move forward or backward instead of up and down. Like a sideways teeter-totter. Imagine a heavy weight on one side and a lighter weight on the other side. When accelerating forward the heavier side would try to stay at rest and therefore would move backwards relative to the car. Just like your water in the cup analogy. The lighter side of the lever would then have to move forward relative to the car. The ballon is the same. The air in the car moves back because of inertia which because of air displacement forces the ballon to move forward. –  badweasel Nov 17 '13 at 5:25
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The answers with a lot of upvotes are technically right. However, this answer makes it much easier to understand. –  Loren Pechtel Nov 18 '13 at 21:36

I am not good at explaining things but here it goes

try to understand it this way enter image description here

assume the rectangle to be you car, now the dotted area is filled with normal air and their is a helium balloon in between

So when you accelerate everything in the car tries move backward with respect to the car even the helium balloon, so then why the balloon goes forward,

As you may know helium is less denser than the air and so it is lighter then the air, so when you accelerate the air starts moving backwards but as the helium is lighter it is pushed forward by the air collecting at its back the same phenomenon when you fill a bucket and a ball kept at its bottom starts rising up because it is less denser than water.

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When you're in an accelerating frame of reference, the acceleration is perceived as gravity. For instance in an accelerating train, you stand on an angle, in the direction of motion. It feels like you're on a slope, and de facto, you are.

The helium-filled ball is simply moving against the direction of what looks like gravity: the same thing that it does when you're not in an accelerating frame. It does that for the same reason: buoyancy due to being lighter than air.

When you let go of the balloon in an accelerating train, it will not move directly forward, but on an angle: forward and up. That is the same angle at which you stand, if you balance without support. If while standing in this position you hold a balloon on a string, the string will point in the same direction, parallel to your body, and if you let go of the balloon, it will move in that direction. That is the direction which corresponds to "up", slanted due to the vector combination of the force of gravity (which acts on you downward perpendicularly to the floor) and the fictitious force which appears to be pulling you backwards due to acceleration.

So, in summary:

  1. A balloon rises "up" due to buoyancy.
  2. What determines which way is up "up" is a vector combination of gravitational pull, and the fictitious force caused by acceleration, which mimics gravity.
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I wondered this myself...

Then it hit me, the analogy in my head of a ball rolling on a surface was wrong... the balloon isn't something floating in nothing, it is a body that is less massive than the air it is displacing.

So when you break, everything tries to move forward, but the air wins because it has more inertia, and the balloon is forced backwards.

it is essentially the same thing as what normally happens with a ballon, only with the vectors turned on their side... normally all air and balloons and helium are pulled to the earth, but since the air is more dense it is pulled more... and displaces the balloon with the helium.

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would you elaborate on the point"_So when you break, everything tries to move forward, but the air wins because it has more inertia, and the balloon is forced backwards. _" –  user31782 Dec 25 '13 at 13:12
    
He means... apply the breaks, to slow down the car. –  Guill Jun 25 at 18:28

The simplest way to think about the helium balloon in the accelerating car is to invoke Einstein's Principle of Equivalence: a constant acceleration is the same, in all respects, as a gravitational force. To make matters as simple as possible, we'll ignore the real force of gravity (i.e. what's pulling the car toward the Earth) and just think about the forward acceleration of the car. According to the Principle of Equivalence, the effect of this acceleration is exactly the same as a gravitational force pointing to the rear of the car. But everyone knows what a helium balloon, immersed in air, does in the presence of gravity: it rises, i.e. it moves in the direction opposite to the gravitational force.

So when the car accelerates, the balloon moves forward. Incidentally, the Principle also explains why, when the car accelerates, a passenger is jerked backwards: because, unlike the balloon, the passenger falls downward, in the same direction as the gravitational force.

In answering this question, I'm assuming you accept that a helium balloon rises in the presence of Earth's gravity. Because helium has a smaller density than air, the buoyant force of air will push it toward the sky against gravity

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'-1' suppose the observer is standing at the foot-path watching the balloon inside the car accelarating in the direction as that of the car's acc. . For this observer gravity hasn't changed. It is only the pressure difference which caused the balloon to acc forward. The pressure diff is introduced due to the movement of car . –  user31782 Dec 25 '13 at 12:35

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