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Assume we had an elevator shaft long enough for a free-falling elevator to reach terminal velocity.

As I understand it, when the elevator begins to fall a person inside would experiences weightlessness because they would be accelerating downward at the same rate as the elevator. The rate of downward acceleration for the elevator should reach a constant when air resistance equals gravity (right?). However, the person in the elevator would not be exposed to air resistance and should continue to accelerate downward.

So would they gradually sink back to the floor and experience gravity as though the elevator were at rest... at least until the inevitable termination of the experiment?

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That is exactly right. A fundamental tenet of physics is that all inertial reference frames are equivalent and indistinguishable.1 Furthermore, given one inertial frame (standing at rest2), any other frame moving with respect to it with a constant velocity is also inertial. The frame "moving at terminal velocity" is just as inertial as "sitting still" and so you would not even be able to tell you were moving.

By definition you feel no acceleration at constant velocity. Thus the acceleration due to gravity must be exactly balanced by some other force. By construction that force is not air resistance for you (as would be the case of a sky diver at terminal velocity) but simply the normal force of the elevator floor, which would make the experience feel exactly like standing in a non-moving elevator in the same gravitational field.


1 At least locally, meaning that any experimental apparatus and things you measure are confined to objects also in that frame.

2 To be pedantic, standing "still" in a gravitational field is considered inertial in Newtonian mechanics but not general relativity. I am speaking in Newtonian terms here, but the conclusion would be just the same if analyzed with the machinery of GR.

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The usual statement of elevator's problem is: "If the elevator is in a free fall, what is the person's weight?". The answer is obviously zero. In my opinion, a person in falling elevator doesn't give a s*** about his weight.

Your question is more complicated, since you're assuming terminal velocity is reached (either due to friction with air or any other reason). Reaching terminal velocity by the elevator means zero acceleration.

Now, the person in the elevator is not affected by the external forces which oppose gravity force experienced by the elevator. It means that from the perspective of the person, the usual gravitational acceleration trying to push him into the floor of the elevator. However, we know that this headline is completely bizzare: "A man made a hole in elevator's floor and fell to death!". Well, for some elevators this may not be bizzare at all.

So, why the person won't fall? Due to the same force which prevents this when the elevator is at rest - the Normal force. The floor of elevator pushes the person up and this force equalizes gravitational force.

In fact, the fact that elevator moves at constant velocity is irrelevant. The weight of the person will be the same as if the elevator had been at rest.

There is very famous though experiment named "Galileo's ship" which is described in Dialogues - it's whole point is to argue that there is no experiment one can make inside a ship, which will tell whether the ship moves with constant speed or at rest. Being "at rest" is just a special case of constant motion (speed = 0).

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My Physics 100 students used to ask the best strategy in the falling elevator scenario. I finally came up with: "Slug the person next to you, lay him flat on the floor, and lie down on your back on top of him. This reduces the max g-loading on stopping." –  User58220 Aug 8 '13 at 22:17
    
Wow, this is a great answer. I'm telling everyone to jump constantly and hope that the crash will happen when their speed is minimal, but now I realize that your strategy is much better! –  Vasiliy Aug 8 '13 at 23:06
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