# Why is the Ampere a base unit and not the Coulomb?

I always thought of current as the time derivative of charge, $\frac{dq}{dt}$. However, I found out recently that it is the Ampere that is the base unit and not the Coulomb. Why is this? It seems to me that charge can exist without current, but current cannot exist without charge. So the logical choice for a base unit would be the Coulomb. Right?

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Fyi, this question has been previous asked on electronics stackexchange: 1. electronics.stackexchange.com/q/23449 2. electronics.stackexchange.com/q/62483 – The Photon Jul 11 '13 at 4:59

Because it was defined by measurements (the force between to wire segments) that could be easily made in the laboratory at the time. The phrase is "operational definition", and it is the cause of many (most? all?) of the seemingly weird decision about fundamental units.

It is why we define the second and the speed of light but derive the meter these days.

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To amplify further on this answer, we have instruments (ammeters) that can measure current very accurately. But it's extremely difficult to do high-precision experiments with static electricity, i.e., it's relatively hard to measure charge. – Ben Crowell Jul 11 '13 at 3:10
Well, you can always measure charge by measuring current and measuring the time for which the current was flowing. So I don't buy the measurement argument. It is true that any set of 4 quantities can be made as 'fundamental' and others would be 'derived'. But we should ideally choose quantities which appeal to our notion of fundamental - something which is a basic property or a primitive notion. Charge is a basic property of all matter, unlike current which is defined only with respect to a surface hence I feel that charge needs to be chosen as a fundamental quantity rather than current. – guru Jul 11 '13 at 9:57
Of course it is historical. That's what I mean about it depending on what was easy at the time. The time the decision was taken. And when you say*"you can always measure charge by measuring current and measuring the time"* you have explained why the decision was made to have charge a derived unit. – dmckee Jul 11 '13 at 11:44
@guru, you can always measure charge by measuring current and measuring the time So, basically, you are agreeing that current and time should be base units, and charge should be a derived unit. – james large Jul 14 '15 at 14:26
@jameslarge Quoting dmckee: It is why we define the second and the speed of light but derive the meter these days. But the meter is still a base unit. You can measure something through a derivation and still let it be a base unit. Of course you usually choose the most easy thing and way to measure something, but what you decide is "base" is purely a matter of choosing your definition. – DrZ214 Feb 24 at 3:45

Since this question was asked, the situation has changed: there is movement towards a redefinition of the SI system which eliminates arbitrary artifacts in terms of quantities which quantum mechanics tells us are really, fundamentally constant. Starting sometime in 2018, the defined constants will be

• the difference in frequency $\Delta\nu$ between two particular electronic transitions in cesium atoms (unless a more stable technology is developed)

• a constant $K_{cd}$ defining the candela

• the speed $c \approx 3.0\times10^8\,\rm m/s$ of light in a vacuum, relating distance to time

• the quantum of electric charge $e \approx 1.60\times10^{-19}\rm \,C$

• the Planck constant $h \approx 6.6\times10^{-34} \rm\,J\,s$ relating the charge quantum to the magnetic flux quantum, and also relating wavelength, momentum, and mass

• the Avogadro constant $N_A \approx 6.0\times10^{23}\,\rm mol^{-1}$ relating the kilogram and the atomic mass unit

• the Boltzmann constant $k \approx 1.38\times10^{-23} \rm\, J/K$ relating temperature and thermal energy.

In the present version of SI, the first of these three are exactly defined, while the other four are empirically measured based on the international prototype kilogram, the magnetic force measurement used to define the ampere, the mass of a mole of carbon-12, and the triple point of water. All of these are macroscopic phenomena. After the 2018 redefinition all seven of the constants I listed will be "exact" in the way that $c$ is exact at present.

There's more information about the SI overhaul at the BIPM, on Wikipedia, and at NIST. Here's also a Nature news story about the ampere redefinition.

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f we define "quantum" as an indivisible amount of something, then your quantum of electric charge is wrong. Up quarks have a charge of 2/3 e and down quark's charge is 1/3 e, where e is the charge of 1 electron. So the quantum should be closer to 5.33 x $10^{-20}$. – DrZ214 Feb 24 at 4:03
@DrZ214 Yes, but color confinement prevents the observation of quark charges. See also. – rob Feb 25 at 1:20

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