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The 2013 Ashes series (a cricket thing between England and Australia) are underway as of today and it seems they have a new (to me) gimmick. It appears that they are now able to measure almost instantaneously (within a few seconds) the rotational speed of balls bowled by spin bowlers.

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On the (golf) driving range, I was able to get similar readings, but they were from a machine only a few feet away from the tee. I don't quite understand that either, but it seems at least easier. Although there, they were even able to determine the rotational axis as well.

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But in cricket they also have a rotational axis along the direction of the ball, which is even more difficult to measure (unless they have a third radar somewhere perpendicular-ish to the pitch).

I think I now see that they placed very small black boxes between two of the stumps on either end of the pitch. I guess that must be the first two radars. (One of which will be useless because the batsman is standing in front of it.)

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So, essentially: How do they do it? And, how accurate can it be, given that the reflection of the "sides" of the ball may be poor? Or are they using (visible-light) camera images, as suggested by the comments of udiboy and Deer Hunter below? (I'm fairly confident the golf system doesn't do that, but I don't know. Anyways, to make sure, the question is primarily about the cricket.)

Added later.

I found that they measure spin rates in baseball as well:

The site refers to these technologies and (patent/patent application) numbers:

  • Measuring spin rate of sports balls by radar using multiple harmonic spectrum traces. (US2009/0075744, EP1698380, DE602006009719.0, GB/EP/1698380, ZL200680006869.0, JP2008/538085A and KR10/0947898)

  • Measuring spin axis orientation of sport balls from trajectory measurements by radar. (US2009/0075744, DE602006015036.9, GB/EP/1853362, ZL200680006869.0, JP2008/538085A and KR10/0947898)

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maybe they snapshot successive images of the ball, and check how thread of the ball moves. That can give you a rough estimate of the rotational axis. – udiboy1209 Jul 10 '13 at 15:46
Is it Hot Spot, or a recent update of Hawk Eye? Regardless, optical stereo trackers can find rotation transforms for successive shots and estimate the angular velocity vector (no first-hand experience, though). In cricket, though, there's a lot of background noise... – Deer Hunter Jul 10 '13 at 17:00
Could the balls have gyros and emiters inside them? – ja72 Jul 10 '13 at 18:12
@ja72 ,the balls do not have any gyros or emitters inside. they are manufactured using very strict regulations. check this: – udiboy1209 Jul 10 '13 at 19:12
A spin ball essentially changes direction and speed after its first hit on the pitch. I am writing this as a comment since I am not sure. Now, the change in speed and direction after the spin would somehow be related to the rotational axis and rotational speed. I still have to check whether you do get solvable equations using this theory. – Cheeku Jul 11 '13 at 13:21

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If the balls are kept clean, a high-speed camera coupled to a computer running an image recognition/analysis program ought to be adequate. As an example of the sorts of images you can get, see this cricket match At about 1:35 you can see slow motion with a long lens. The stripe on the ball is very visible.

As a starting point, an upper limit of 3000 rpm (per your first image) gives 50 rps. At normal (at least, as normal as cricket-playing countries get) PAL video rates of 50 fps that's a maximum of 1 revolution per frame, so high speed should easily be able to resolve the rotation. And, of course, there's no guarantee that the 4 figures presented in the image are precise. I suspect the last two significant digits are bogus.

Designing such a system, I expect, would be quite challenging, but the problem would be in designating the period and exact area of interest, and doing it in a few seconds.

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Here is a link.

What you'll see is a lot of detail on experiments which relate the trajectory of the ball with initial conditions. The high-speed camera thing is a possible solution, but doesn't appeal to me in a scientific manner, because it's hard to imagine how would you actually implement high-speed cameras or gyros or emitters inside in an Ashes game.

an example of graphs I said

I am proposing an alternate solution. Just as in the link I gave above, it is possible and has of course been done, to get an idea of trajectories followed by the ball under different conditions. Now, it is a very easy business for a machine learning algorithm to find the best match for the initial conditions of the ball given a trajectory. Some other initial conditions such as meteorological details and type of pitch can be entered manually.

I have no idea if this is how they do it. It's just the way I would do it. And it doesn't have to be too accurate. The audience is very happy just for the fact that they show the spin.

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Looking at the patents in the question, this seems to be how some of the claims in the first patent works, though there's no mention of machine learning. – Rick Sep 21 at 17:57

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