Take the 2-minute tour ×
Physics Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for active researchers, academics and students of physics. It's 100% free, no registration required.

I have seen many answers like: because we don't have infinite energy, because of gravity, because it is impossible, because of physics.

But they don't really answer my question.. I mean if there is no friction and at some points, even if just in theory, you could be so far away from other objects or at the right distance between many so that the total force vector is null... why is it still considered impossible?

share|improve this question
    
There could be magnetically induced drag that can occur when a conductor moves in an external magnetic field. –  Antillar Maximus Dec 31 '12 at 15:13
    
Note that a satellite in orbit accelerate for ever towards the body it is orbiting. Well, not really for ever if you considere atmospheric drag or other types of drag, but still... –  TonioElGringo Jan 3 '13 at 9:20
add comment

5 Answers

Two points that may help

  1. Think about what is required in order to accelerate. You have to throw something overboard.1 However your engine works you will eventually run out of fuel and at that point you are done accelerating.

    There is an exception to the "run out of fuel" claim and a possible loophole. The exception is a photon drive: just point a laser away from where you want to go and wait. But that requires a lot of power if you don't want to wait until the heat death of the universe, and sooner or later you powerplant will run out of whatever makes it go.

    The possible loophole is a Bussard ramjet: a theorized system that scoops up the hydrogen gas out in space to use as a propellent. Even if they are possible most assumptions about their operation result in a maximum velocity given by the balance of the ram's drag against the generated thrust.

  2. There is not actually zero friction.

    You know that hydrogen gas I said the Bussard ramjet would use? There is a little drag from that, and for velocities that are significantly different than the local rest frame of the CMB there is a photon drag from the left over glow of the big bang (but like the photon drive it is very small unless you get very fast indeed).


1 For the purposes of that statement I include photons in the set of "something".

share|improve this answer
    
It is like you say that you cannot boil water because the temperature of your heater is < 100. You are absolutely true. No need to consider the case where you turn the heater on. Obviously the question is concerning the light speed limit and scientists always have enough fuel and can remove backround radiation far enough to accelerate as far as they need without problem. –  Val Dec 30 '12 at 14:53
1  
Photon drives require mass to operate, as well. $E=mc^2.$ Do you think those photons are energyless? –  Peter Shor Dec 31 '12 at 16:18
    
@PeterShor Well, yes, but rather than get into that I thought it was easier to talk about how long the power supply would hold out. In principle, of course, you could use photovoltaics for power, but your thrust to weight ration would be rather poor and the drag from the CMB would rapidly get to be of the same order. –  dmckee Dec 31 '12 at 16:58
add comment

As long as you have useable energy in your ship, you can use it to accelerate indefinitely your propellant in the opposite direction you want to accelerate; this is how rockets work. The propellant is basically something that carries away linear momentum in one direction so that the ship can gain momentum in the opposite direction.

Indeed, as you realise, there is no friction in space.. well, there is a tiny bit, because space is not 100% empty, it has trace amounts of dust, hydrogen and radiation. But this dust will not cause any significant drag unless you move really fast relative to the dust (say, at a significant fraction of the speed of light)

The problem is that since, space is so empty, there is really no practical way to have energy available for propulsion unless you carry it with you as fuel. There have been some proposals that try to work around this severe limitation, as the Bussard ramjet, and the laser light-sail proposed by Robert Forward: the first tries to use the hydrogen available in space as fuel, while the other captures a very powerful laser in a super-lightweight sail and accelerates by the momentum imparted by the light

If the ship carries the fuel, it means that the energy spent for acceleration needs to be used not only accelerating the payload, but also to accelerate the fuel mass that you are carrying with you! This leads to something called the rocket equation, which relates the density energy of your fuel, the ratio between the mass of the fuel and the payload, and the final velocity that you can achieve

The resulting analysis of the rocket equation shows that for fuels like hydrogen chemical combustion with oxygen (which is the most efficient chemical fuel we have) we are really bounded around the 300 sec (this is an unit called ISP, which measures how efficient is your fuel to produce kinetic energy)

If you consider other fuels, like nuclear fission reactions, or nuclear fusion, you can get more interesting efficiencies. For instance, the Daedalus project, developed on the seventies, proposed a interstellar starship to reach 5 light years in a trip of 80 years using fusion pellets as the fuel.

Beyond that, Eugene Sanger studied using antimatter-matter reactions to propel a spaceship. Such fuel would be theoretically the most efficient fuel physically possible in our universe, since the resulting reaction converts the full mass-energy of the particles in radiation (according to the formula $E=m c^2$), this has not been deemed practical in the foreeseeable future, because creating anti-matter fuel is inefficient and expensive, but more importantly, because it is extremely non-trivial to store the fuel safely inside a physical container, in such a way that can be used to propel a rocket ship.

share|improve this answer
add comment

EDIT: Even if spaceship accelerates for ever, it's velocity with respect to other objects will never exceed light speed $c$. Proof is given below.

Let us consider the following problem:

The spaceship starts at time $t=0$ from Earth and is moving with constant acceleration $w$ in it's rest frame. Find the distance of the spaceship from Earth in the Earth's reference frame.

This is a well known problem from special relativity theory. The answer is as following:

$x=\frac{c^2}{w}(\sqrt{1+\frac{w^2t^2}{c^2}}-1)$. Here $x$ is a distance from Earth.

The chart below illustrates the dependence of distance from time (blue line):

enter image description here

If $wt<<c$ we obtain classical formulas: $v=wt$ and $x=\frac{wt^2}{2}$.

if $wt→∞$ the velocity of spaceship tends to $c$.

You can also see the red line on the chart. This is to demonstrate that after time $t=\frac{c}{w}$ even the laser beam sent from Earth would not be able to catch up with the spaceship.

share|improve this answer
add comment

Although these are good answers on why man-made ships will hardly ever perform as a eternal or even long-term acceleration platforms, I don't think OP's was aiming at the technological breakdown of why this is so hard to achieve, so here's my view: basically, with suitable assumptions, you can accelerate forever. Take perfectly empty space, a perfect engine, turn off CMB and you're good for never-ending acceleration. But ... I think that problem that people look at relativistic problems bottom-up. Second Newton law holds at any speed. If you make two additional assumptions, that is that speed is low enough and that you are dealing with constant masses, only then you get known relation between force and acceleration F = ma. But in situation I think you are having on your mind, this is not so - flying such spaceship, you can have constant force pushing the ship with constant uptake of momentum that translates in always accelerating motion that's diminishing in the way that speed of the ship is approaching the speed of light, but in no finite time gets there. So, you can push the throttle as hard as you can withstand being pressed against your driving seat. But since link between force and acceleration breaks on high speeds, you can get your never-ending acceleration, but in ever smaller amounts.

share|improve this answer
1  
So long answer and nothing concerning the broken link. At any time, as relativity tells us, the pilot feels its pretty constant mass and acceleration. No link is broken. –  Val Dec 30 '12 at 14:56
add comment

An external force is required to accelerate an object anywhere in the universe.however ,a body which is given an initial acceleration continues to travel with uniform velocity after withdrawal of force in the space unless it happens to come across a heavenly body or enter a gravitational field.for example earth attracts or Accelerates an object with its gravitational FORCE.

share|improve this answer
add comment

protected by Qmechanic Oct 12 '13 at 17:34

Thank you for your interest in this question. Because it has attracted low-quality answers, posting an answer now requires 10 reputation on this site.

Would you like to answer one of these unanswered questions instead?

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.