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Does anyone have a good explanation of the physics and vectors of force involved in the skateboarding trick the ollie (where the skater jumps and causes the skateboard to rise off the ground with him)?

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What exactly do you want explained? In its current state, your question seems rather vague and could be closed. –  David Z Jan 26 '11 at 4:46
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Thinking specifically at how the downward force from the skater translates into the board striking and lifting off the ground and then leveling out in the air. In my head I'm picturing the vectors of force involved but I'm not sure if that is the best representation. The way the trick looks visually doesn't seem to accurately translate what is happening physically. –  Dougman Jan 26 '11 at 4:52
    
exploratorium.edu/skateboarding/trick02.html This is a Good Representation as well –  user32043 Nov 1 '13 at 15:51
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A slow-motion video of an ollie makes the physics clear.

The main idea is that the skateboarder pushes down hard on one side out past the wheels, torquing the board up into a hop, then pushes down with the other foot to level the board out and make it appear to stick to the feet. The skateboarder never lifts the board - the only necessary upward force in the whole process is the normal force from the ground.

We begin by pushing down hard on the right-hand side of the skateboard, to the right of the wheels. This creates a large torque about the right wheel and makes the skateboard start to rotate up off the ground. The upward momentum is provided by a large normal force from the ground. Here is a picture at the first moment, when the skateboard has zero velocity.

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The red arrows show the forces. The blue arrow shows the acceleration of the center of mass. The torque about the right wheel is into your monitor.

The skateboard gains a significant amount of momentum upwards in this way. If we left it alone, it would fly up in the air, flipping, and moving to the right. Instead, we push down on it on the left hand side. This induces a counter torque and reduce's the skateboard's upwards momentum. Here is a picture before the skateboard leaves the ground, right when the force on the left wheel is first applied.

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The red arrows are forces and the blue arrow is the acceleration again. The green arrow is the velocity of the center of mass. The torque is now in the opposite direction - out of the page. In the next moment, the skateboard's center of mass will continue to rise and move a little to the right, but also the skateboard will begin losing angular momentum. It will stop rotating, then rotate back to the flat position. In the mean time, its inertia will raise it off the ground.

Now both feet push on the board as we fall. Here is a picture of the board at its highest point, with the velocity again zero, and the feet pushing equally down.

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Some of these descriptions are not perfectly precise. For example, the skateboard does not need to be perfectly flat or have equal force on both sides right when it attains the greatest height in its trajectory. I omitted gravity (which is not really essential, except for the skateboarder). There may be some other small forces involved, etc.

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Nice video. I'm by no means an expert, and I think you've got most of it here, but another thing I always look for in board tricks is energy stored in the flexation of either the deck or the trucks. Powerful springs can contain a lot of energy and give it back quickly. –  dmckee Jan 26 '11 at 16:42
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Not only does the skateboard not need to be perfectly flat, but the upward curvature of the nose is very important in doing an ollie. Historically, as skateboards went from being more or less flat in front to being curved on both sides, I believe you can see a huge increase in ollie height. Speaking from experience (albeit limited) it is nearly impossible to do an ollie on a flat board unless your name is Rodney Mullen (who by the way is quite interested in physics). –  Greg P Jan 26 '11 at 17:44
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Re: Rodney Mullen and physics: youtube.com/watch?v=VXO1g2UiPLo –  Greg P Jan 26 '11 at 17:47
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@dmckee @Greg P Thanks for pointing that out! –  Mark Eichenlaub Jan 26 '11 at 19:11
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Marks answer is flawed from the second picture onward.

The major force contributing to the lift of the board is not applied downward on the left axle but instead by pulling parallel to the boards surface (in an up and a litte to the left direction). This is done by the instep of the riders right foot (after rotating the foot around the ankle) as can barely be seen in the video. That is why there is grip tape on the deck in the first place (and why skater's shoes don't last long).

Without this (for a beginner rather difficult) motion the board wouldn't lift at all (this is only partly true as any skateboarder can tell you but for now let's assume it's correct).

If you only applied Mark's suggested downward force on the left axle you would not lift the board but press it right back down to the ground.

The overall height of the jump then is determined by how high you can jump yourself and how well you can pull the board up with you. There is no necessity in popping (the moment of tail-ground contact) more powerfully to gain height. It is perfectly possible to do an ollie without the tail hitting the ground at all.

It is quite difficult to see this from just watching the video or a full speed skateboarder, so I suggest you try it yourself (while wearing protection of course).

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@BandGap: Interesting. That was what a friend was telling me a couple of weeks ago, that the foot that slides up the board does most of the work, not really the back foot. Sounds like it isn't as simple to approximate as many assume. –  Dougman Mar 10 '11 at 16:51
    
First I like to read "right/left" specified to some frame, either the video or Marks sketches. And in wich direction does this happen: ""but instead by pulling parallel to the boards surface"" –  Georg Mar 10 '11 at 17:17
    
@BandGap Thank you for the insight about horizontal forces. It's clear you have a lot more experience than I do in this area. However, please try to be more careful in interpreting someone's work before you denounce it. Your statement said, "If you only applied Mark's suggested downward force on the left axle you would not lift the board but press it right back down to the ground." That is not what I said. I suggested applying a downward force to the right of the right axle to lift the board, then applying a downward force on the left axle to push the board down and torque it back to flat. –  Mark Eichenlaub Mar 10 '11 at 17:59
    
@Georg: The sketches are the same orientation as the video. The move is described not from the riders frame of reference but the viewer's. "parallel to the boards surface" means the surface on which you stand on when the board is in a resting position. –  BandGap Mar 11 '11 at 9:33
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@Bandgap I know that pushing down makes the skateboard goes down when it's in the air. I never claimed otherwise. However, you are wrong that pushing down on the skateboard when it's in contact with the ground cannot make the skateboard go up. It can and I have done the experiment. It is an easy effect to observe. You can push down on one side of a lever and still make the center of mass of the lever go up. –  Mark Eichenlaub Mar 11 '11 at 9:48
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An important part I think is that the board acts as a spring. When the skater pushed down to leap up this stores energy in the board which is released to pop the board up right under the skater's feet.

My son does all of these things with great ease, and does fancy stuff on half pipes and the like. If I tried these things I suspect a month later I would get some hospital bills.

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