# top quark and Z,W bosons?

The masses of the Z and W particle sum almost exactly to the mass of the Top quark,within the errors:

Z + W = 80.385±0.015 + 91.1876±0.0021 = 171.57 ±0.0171 GeV

Top quark 172.9± 1.5 GeV

A: Is this one of those simple coincidences?

B: The Z,W particles are decays of the T?

C: Someone has a not too cranky idea connecting them?

EDIT: After consideration of dmckee and Lubos posts.

How about instead of a decay from a t quark, collide a $W^\pm$ and a $Z$ to produce a red top and anti-red bottom.

$$W^+ + Z^0 \to t(r) + \bar{b}(\bar{r})$$

this conserves charge, spin, color, confinement and energy - provided the excess energy of the bottom quark comes from the kinetic term of the collision. It immediately decays as lubos and dmckee pointed out in an early question

EDIT 2: Also note decay time of t-quark is $4.2\ 10^{-25} s$, nearly matching the W,Z decays times of $3.0\ 10^{-25} s$ , although I'm yet to find an uncertainty for these.

And with incredible hubris I'm calling this the Metzgeer Momentary Meson $t\bar{b}$
:) joke

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Interesting, I've never noticed this before. It sounds coincidental but I'll refrain from answering in favor of someone who may actually know about any such work that may have been done. – David Z Jun 5 '12 at 2:50

You run into several practical problems immediately.

• The total angular momentum of a system of a $W^\pm$ and a $Z$ is an integer, but the top has spin $\frac{1}{2}$.

• The charge of a system involving one $W$ and one $Z$ would be $\pm 1$. The top has charge $\frac{2}{3}$.

These two could be repaired by assuming that there is a spin $\frac{1}{2}$ charge $-\frac{1}{3}$ particle involved. However...

• The decay modes would generate some really funny implications. Start with the predominate mode: $t \to W^+ + b$ means that we're suggesting that a $Z$ is related to a $b$ (and a anti-down or anti-strange?) somehow.

Wait! what?

We started with one quark related to two weak vector bosons because the masses came out close and now we have some other quark related to one weak vector boson even though the masses are totally different. And even if we believe that what are we going to do about the origin of the lighter quark generation? Or are we to believe that only the top and bottom are related to the weak bosons?

Any way, as you may have guessed, I'm going with coincidence all the way. They have to happen sometimes.

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One also fails to conserve the color in the original decay - a confined colorful particle can't decay to colorless ones such as W,Z. ... I am utterly unimpressed by the "coincidence" that the sum of two particles' masses is a third particle mass within 1%. I wouldn't even call it a coincidence. It's just a description of one of the normal situations. – Luboš Motl Jun 5 '12 at 3:51
Wait up - there's another coincidence - the decay times of t,Z,W are all close to 10^-25 s, so the masses match up and the decay times. That hints at more than a coincidence. – metzgeer Jun 5 '12 at 9:50
@metzgeer Ah...that is not a coincidence instead it is an example of "weak universailty". All three are a single weak vertex with roughly the same mass difference which means roughly the same phase space for the products, so roughly the same half-life follows. – dmckee Jun 5 '12 at 16:33
Also, $m_{\rm Higgs} \approx \sqrt{m_Z m_t}$. Just a coincidence. There are lots of them if you look. They mean nothing. – Matt Reece Jun 6 '12 at 4:43
Alright, I can see now. Thanks all! – metzgeer Jun 6 '12 at 8:06