# _Actually_ hearing the shape of a drum

The problem of hearing the shape of a drum is well known as a mathematical problem.

But what about as a problem of (1) physics and (2) human perception?

Suppose you have the kind of membrane used with a kettle drum but without the kettle. One musician tries to adjust the pitch and loudness, etc., so that the square one and the circular one sound as similar as possible; an opposing musician is allowed to hear but not to see, and tries to identify the round one and the square one by the sound. And so on with other shapes.

And if unaided human perception doesn't work, how much analysis can be done with electronic gadgets?

Later note: I find a comment below, saying this isn't actually a mathematical question. As I pointed out below, an answer might bear upon the mathematics. A simple-minded stereotype says mathematics can shed light on the things it's applied to, but not vice-versa. But that is known to be an error.

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Related quantum mechanical inverse scattering problem. – Qmechanic Mar 23 '12 at 19:17
Are you the Micheal Hardy, who edited every mathematics article on Wikipedia I ever clicked on? – NikolajK Mar 23 '12 at 20:23
@NickKidman : I've been editing Wikipedia articles daily under my real name since 2002. (But my first name is spelled in the usual way, not the way you spelled it here.) – Michael Hardy Mar 25 '12 at 6:06
@MichaelHardy: Ups yes, sorry for that. And thanks four your wikipedia contributions. I think the math sections there are generally really good, from my perspective. (They don't seem to have the problems that physics article do, namely that some of the terms are in such wide use that there is a need to write for everyone, which procudes low level articles and frustrated contributors.) – NikolajK Mar 25 '12 at 15:52

This famous paper has experimentally tested the two different shapes with mathematically equivalent spectra. The caveat is that the experiment was not acoustic, they have measured microwave resonance frequencies instead. There is a freely available paper that quotes some of their results, see Fig. 3.7 on page 12 for equivalent standing wave patterns.

This might not quite answer your question directly but gives a sense of what can be achieved with "electronic gadgets".

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Cool! I didn't know the isospectral domains have been experimentally tested. Thanks for the link. – Willie Wong Mar 26 '12 at 8:58

The solution of any initial problem for a vibrating drum can be represented as a superposition of natural modes (i.e. eigen-modes). The corresponding eigen-values would be referred to as the natural frequencies. When you kick the drum you end up exciting one or several eigen-modes. The specific amplitudes of these modes depend on your initial condition (the way you kick the drum). However, realistic loading would tend to happen relatively slowly and, therefore, result in higher-frequency modes having smaller amplitudes. The resulting sound would normally be dominated by one of the lowest-frequency modes of the drum, with the higher-frequency modes contributing to the resulting timbre.

Suppose that you have a round drum. Its sound, for the majority of realistic initial conditions, will be dominated by its lowest frequency eigen-mode. Hence, someone trying to make an audibly-indistinguishable square drum will first have to match their lowest natural frequencies. However, there is absolutely no reason why this would also match their second and higher natural frequencies. Thus, such drums would have the same "dominant" tone, but different timbre, making them easily distinguishable even by untrained ear.

However, if you are allowed to change the shape in a wider range, say, consider rectangular drums, you will be able to match 2 (for rectangle), 3, and more lowest modes (for more complicated shapes). The resulting timbre of these drums can be made much closer to each other and, at some point, untrained, or even trained, ear will become unable to tell the difference.

Keep in mind that I implicitly assumed here that the we can always reproduce the specific distribution of the amplitudes of natural modes for both drums. This means, however, that to achieve the same sound you are likely to need to kick different drums in a different fashion.

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