# Why don't electrons crash into the nuclei they “orbit”?

I'm having trouble understanding the simple "planetary" model of the atom that I'm being taught in my basic chemistry course.

In particular,

1. I can't see how a negatively charged electron can stay in "orbit" around a positively charged nucleus. Even if the electron actually orbits the nucleus, wouldn't that orbit eventually decay?
2. I can't reconcile the rapidly moving electrons required by the planetary model with the way atoms are described as forming bonds. If electrons are zooming around in orbits, how do they suddenly "stop" to form bonds.

I understand that certain aspects of quantum mechanics were created to address these problems, and that there are other models of atoms. My question here is whether the planetary model itself addresses these concerns in some way (that I'm missing) and whether I'm right to be uncomfortable with it.

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– voix Jan 25 '12 at 15:40
to 1:They are on the lowest energy level. They can't decay to lower ones. to 2: they don't stop, the planetary model is just that, a model(and a pretty bad one). – P3trus Jan 25 '12 at 17:13
similar question on mathoverflow, with some detailed answers: mathoverflow.net/q/119495 – Ben Crowell May 26 '13 at 17:34
The planetary model is pretty bogus, don't trust it too much. – DanielSank Jun 20 at 7:36

You are right, the planetary model of the atom does not make sense when one considers the electromagnetic forces involved. The electron in an orbit is accelerating continuously and would thus radiate away its energy and fall into the nucleus.

One of the reasons for "inventing" quantum mechanics was exactly this conundrum.

The Bohr model was proposed to solve this, by stipulating that the orbits were closed and quantized and no energy could be lost while the electron was in orbit, thus creating the stability of the atom necessary to form solids and liquids. It also explained the lines observed in the spectra from excited atoms as transitions between orbits.

If you study further into physics you will learn about quantum mechanics and the axioms and postulates that form the equations whose solutions give exact numbers for what was a first guess at a model of the atom.

Quantum mechanics is accepted as the underlying level of all physical forces at the microscopic level, and sometimes it can be seen macroscopically, as with superconductivity, for example. Macroscopic forces are limiting cases of the real forces which reign microsopically.

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I can't see how a negatively charged electron can stay in "orbit" around a positively charged nucleus. Even if the electron actually orbits the nucleus, wouldn't that orbit eventually decay?

Yes. What you've given is a proof that the classical, planetary model of the atom fails.

I can't reconcile the rapidly moving electrons required by the planetary model with the way atoms are described as forming bonds. If electrons are zooming around in orbits, how do they suddenly "stop" to form bonds.

Right. There are even simpler objections of this type. For example, the planetary model of hydrogen would be confined to a plane, but we know hydrogen atoms aren't flat.

My question here is whether the planetary model itself addresses these concerns in some way (that I'm missing)[...]

No, the planetary model is simply wrong. The Bohr model, which was an early attempt to patch up the planetary model, is also wrong (e.g., it predicts a flat hydrogen atom with nonzero angular momentum in its ground state).

The quantum-mechanical resolution of this problem can be approached at a variety of levels of mathematical and physical sophistication. For a sophisticated discussion, see this mathoverflow question and the answers and references therein: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/119495/mathematical-proof-of-the-stability-of-atoms

At the very simplest level, the resolution works like this. We have to completely abandon the idea that subatomic particles have well-defined trajectories in space. We have the de Broglie relation $|p|=h/\lambda$, where $p$ is the momentum of an electron, $h$ is Planck's constant, and $\lambda$ is the wavelength of the electron. Let's limit ourselves to one dimension. Suppose an electron is confined to a region of space with width $L$, and there are impenetrable walls on both sides, so the electron has zero probability of being outside this one-dimensional "box." This box is a simplified model of an atom. The electron is a wave, and when it's confined to a space like this, it's a standing wave. The standing-wave pattern with the longest possible wavelength has $\lambda=2L$, corresponding to a superposition of two traveling waves with momenta $p=\pm h/2L$. This maximum wavelength imposes a minimum on $|p|$, which corresponds to a minimum kinetic energy.

Although this model is wrong in detail (and, in fact, agrees with the actual description of the hydrogen atom even more poorly than the Bohr model), it has the right ingredients in it to explain why atoms don't collapse. Unlike the Bohr model, it has the right conceptual ingredients to allow it to be generalized, expanded, and made more rigorous, leading to a full mathematical description of the atom. Unlike the Bohr model, it makes clear what is fundamentally going on: when we confine a particle to a small space, we get a lower limit on its energy, and therefore once it's in the standing-wave pattern with that energy, it can't collapse; it's already in the state of lowest possible energy.

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Briefly,

1. The Bohr--planetary model doesn't really address these issues.

Bohr, a genius, just asserted that the phenomena at the atomic level were a combination of stationarity while being in an orbit, and discrete quantum jumps between the orbits. It was a postulate that yielded some agreement with experiment and was very helpful for the future development of quantum mechanics solely because it got people to think about stationarity and discreteness.

2 It is totally useless for discussing chemical bonds. You are quite right to be uncomfortable with it.

3 It would be stretching a point, but you could see the Quantum Mechanics of Heisenberg and Schroedinger as the only way to salvage the planetary model of Bohr, by finally coming up with an explanation for the stationarity of an electron's state around (but no longer considered as « orbiting ») the nucleus and an explanation for discrete jumps as a response to perturbations from outside. But this required seeing the electron more as a wave and hence not having any definite location along the orbit.

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Bohr did not just assert it, this just shows you never read Bohr. Bohr created the correspondence principle to explain how to quantize. – Ron Maimon Oct 7 '12 at 14:12

The treatment of electrons as waves has combined with spherical harmonics (below image) to form the foundation for a modern understanding of how electrons "orbit."

Tweaks to the spherical harmonic differential equations yields the Schrodinger equation, which yields the accepted models of electron orbital structures:

The only element for which the Schrodinger equation may be solved exactly (approximation is necessary for the rest) is Hydrogen:

These models predict essentially zero probability that an electron will enter the nucleus for most orbitals. In the orbitals where there is some time that an electron spends time in the nucleus it is believed to be energetically unfavourable for the electron to bind to the proton. If electrons were merely point charges this would not be possible, but the wave-nature of electrons creates phenomena such as the Pauli-exclusion principle that predict otherwise.

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All the s-states have an anti-node at the center, and predict that the electron spends a small but non-negligible fraction of the time in the nucleus. – dmckee Jun 14 '13 at 21:27
When it is energetically favorable, they do. It's called "electron capture". See physics.stackexchange.com/q/4481 for a slightly longer discussion. Or physics.stackexchange.com/a/9418/520. – dmckee Jun 14 '13 at 22:03

There is no orbit aroud nucleus, since expectation value for angular momentum for ground state $\psi_0$ is zero; $<L_{\psi_0}>=0$. That is why we cannot talk about classical planet model, like Bohr did. Also Heisenberg's uncertainity principle prevents electrons from having well defined orbits. Electron is just somewhere outside nucleus.

Since proton is positively charged and electron is negatively they have attractive Coulomb's force. But tiny quantum particles, as electrons, behave as waves and they cannot be compressed into too small volume without increasing their kinetic energy. So electron on its ground state $\psi_0$ is on equilibrium state between Coulomb's force and strange quantum pressure.

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From the askers perspective, the explanatory powers of most of these answers seem pretty bad. I prefer Emilio Pisanty's answer here: Why isn't Hydrogen's electron pulled into the nucleus? because it explains exactly how the uncertanity principle dictates the facts of this atomic reality.

The summarized problem is that, if the charged and attracted electron and proton fell into each other, we would know exactly their position, and by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle our knowledge of the momentum would be immensely small, it could be anything. The chances therefore of the momentum being large enough to "escape" this essentially electrostatic attraction are very large. Therefore, the electrons recede to an average distance from the nucleus. The electron is in the position it is (or rather average position) to keep these two opposing forces in balance.

The Heisenberg uncertainty acts as a force of repulsion, in similarity with the effect of compressing a gas. More compression=more pushback.

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I also prefer John Rennie's answer: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/88441/… – Andres Salas Jul 30 '14 at 15:36

Sometimes electrons do "crash into the nucleus" - it's called electron capture and is a mode of decay for some unstable isotopes.

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This is just my 2 cents:

Electrons have so little mass they are at times a wave, their mass is so negligible don't think of them as planets, rather representations of energy.

Sometimes electrons do fall into the nuclei this is nuclear decay.

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All particles are waves, at all times. It's not always the easiest way to treat them - sometimes the math becomes easier by treating them as particles - but that's a human limitation. However, that's not off-topic. You're implying that the planetary model of the atom cannot be salvaged, and the question was how it could be. – MSalters Jan 26 '12 at 10:30
@MSalters: I've been trying to understand this issue, namely, if what is observed are waves, why are you calling them particles? – Zeynel Oct 7 '12 at 11:58
@Zeynel: The two terms are interchangable. Sometimes you observe particles. Remember the clicking sound of a Geiger counter? Each click is an the detection of a particle. I'm calling them "particle" here because it's a quantum of energy, so particle math is easier. But at the same time it's a wave. – MSalters Oct 7 '12 at 12:20
Electrons never fall into the nucleus, they are sometimes absorbed by a proton. – Ron Maimon Oct 7 '12 at 14:13
@MSalters: You are quoting Strassler selectively and out of context. Please read it again. profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/… He is saying that quanta are waves but sometimes they appear to behave like particles. This also explains your wave/particle duality. There are no particles (spherical balls) and waves; there are only waves that appear to behave like particles. Physicists call these waves particles by tradition. There are no particles, only waves. – Zeynel Oct 14 '12 at 12:51

While all these answers are fundamentally correct, especially with regards to Schrodinger and the shell model of electrons, there is one very basic means of radioactive decay, that of electron capture, which has not yet been discussed. Yes indeed, electrons orbiting around the atom can be captured into the nucleus. (For reference, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture) Electron capture is a process in which a proton-rich nuclide absorbs an inner atomic electron, thereby changing a nuclear proton to a neutron and simultaneously causing the emission of an electron neutrino. Various photon emissions follow, as the energy of the atom falls to the ground state of the new nuclide. Electron capture is a common decay mode for isotopes with an over-abundance of protons in the nucleus. What is interesting about the phenomenon of electron capture is that it depends not on the electrons in the electron cloud of the atom, but rather on the nucleus. Thus, one can not ignore the fact that the behavior of electron capture is dependent solely on the nucleus, not the electrons. For example, if the nucleus is, for example, Carbon-9, 100% of this isotope will decay via electron capture to 9-Boron. Yet Carbon-14, which has the same electric charge and same number of electrons in an identically configured electron cloud, never decays via electron capture. Quantum physics, especially when the answer is focusing on the electrons of the atom, has trouble explaining the behavior of Electron Capture with a sufficient credibility. So in answer to your question, electrons do indeed fall into the nucleus, via the phenomenon of electron capture, yet that behavior can not be explained by examining the quantum physics of the electrons.

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The quantum mechanics of electron capture is very well understood. – Brandon Enright Mar 5 '14 at 1:31
I am very aware of the explanations offered by quantum mechanics, and no, they do not answer my questions. – user41827 Mar 5 '14 at 23:04
That's fine but don't provide an answer saying "Quantum physics, especially when the answer is focusing on the electrons of the atom, has trouble explaining the behavior of Electron Capture with a sufficient credibility." just because you have questions about the process. – Brandon Enright Mar 5 '14 at 23:09
You must examine the quantum physics of the nucleus, not the electrons. The quantum physics of the electrons says the phenomenon can't happen, yet it happens all the time. That's why they had determined the existence of the electron neutrino, the particle that allows this to happen. Anyone who says that an electron can't fall into a nucleus, because quantum physics prevents it, is incorrect. The electron neutrino is the mediator of this process, and this allows it. – user41827 Mar 5 '14 at 23:30
Do not misunderstand me. I have no questions. Let me clarify. What I am saying is that the answer will not be found by examining the quantum physics of the electrons. It is not the electrons that regulate this process. It is the quantum physics of the nucleus, which has been very much ignored in these previous answers. – user41827 Mar 5 '14 at 23:31

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