# domestic electric AC wiring - Live and Neutral correct or not? [closed]

On electric circuits, with $120$ or $230$ AC mains, there are the wires Live and Neutral. The wiring isn't symmetrical : following the circuit, you cannot switch $L$ and $N$.

However, in Italy, sockets and plugs don't have a specific orientation : it is a matter of how the user push the plug in the socket. You cannot watch the socket or the plug and guess the N and L, there aren't signs. Also internal building to sockets wiring isn't specific.

So, here it is an Italian socket - you are sure only about the middle one :

|*|   ?
|*|   Earth Gnd
|*|   ?


If the appliance design expects a specific N and L wiring, it is a random 50 % correct / not correct run.

If I recollect well, most of radio appliance show sign N and L wires on their power supply electrical schema.

I spoke with some electrical engineers, they cannot explain me how to match the circuit requirements (and hazard regulations) with the real common practices.

Is the electric schema sufficient to pass the local regulations / certification, even if going in production the appliance is build with a non polarized plug ?

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## closed as off topic by David Z♦Oct 9 '11 at 0:34

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Having Live and Neutral is common, but not universal. There are also systems that use + and -. On those, you can switch the two. There's a 180 degree phase difference, and that's the whole difference. –  MSalters Oct 7 '11 at 11:44
""If the appliance design expects a specific N and L wiring, there are problems (?) : it is a random 50 % correct / not correct run."" If the appliance "expects" neutral/live defined, You had to connect that appliance without any plugs, that is all. Simple AC appliances do not need such a thing, for three-Phase appliances (motors, big transformers) there are plugs who have separate lives (3x), neutral and "ground" which is not always really grounded :=( –  Georg Oct 7 '11 at 11:49
Georg, thanks for the feedback. "without any plug" isn't a good advice for domestic use. I really appreciate your comment pointing to : "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country". –  Massimo Oct 7 '11 at 21:04
Update: thanks to Georg comment, I find en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets It seems in some countries sockets and plugs N, L, G clear wiring is mandatory. For me it remains fuzzy : I see electrical circuit schemas of consumer products with N and L specified, and the final real product using a not polarized plug. Perhaps is the schema sufficient to pass the local regulations / certification ? Weird... –  Massimo Oct 7 '11 at 21:11
@Massimo, There is N and L of course on wireing schemas, but that does not mean that it is mandatory. Could You name one type of appliance (1 Phase AC) wo needs N and L in a certain direction? –  Georg Oct 7 '11 at 21:35

It's only the difference in voltage between two points in a circuit that really matters. As long as a circuit is only connected to two prongs (Live and Neutral), there's no way to determine which is which from the circuit's perspective. All you see is that they oscillate relative to each other.

The reason it matters to electricians is that the live wire has an oscillating voltage with respect to the local ground/electrician's body, and the "neutral" likely does not. This means that if the circuit comes into electrical contact with anything connected to the ground, it will be the live wire that is going to cause problems.

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In domestic circuits, the point is that the supply is alternating current, your outlet cuts this alternating current and when an appliance is inserted to the plug, the circuit closes and current flows through the appliance.

The two lines are the live line, bringing in the current, and the return line, leading the current back to the generators of electricity in the city factories. The return line in the plug is neutral, it has maybe a small potential difference to the ground and is not dangerous to life. The live line carries the power.

The ground connection is an extra security, in principle the neutral should be at ground potential, but because of the great distance to the generators a small potential difference with neutral and the earth could create problems; also in case of an accident the current can flow to the ground. The ground is not necessary for the appliances to work.

Domestic appliances are built so that the direction of the alternating current within them does not matter. The only difference in reversing the live and return lines in your plot is the direction of the current, and AC appliances do not care. The direction of the current is important in Direct Current modules, like radios and TVs but all that is internal to the units, they have transformers etc that turn the current into the DC they need, and transformers do not care which way the current is flowing.

It is important for the electrician who set up the domestic circuit to be careful that the live line, i.e. the line bringing in the current, is in a protected spot on the main board that controls the house electricity, not easily touchable with screw drivers and fingers by naive people, because the live current will go through a person to the ground and electrocute him/her. That is standard in the plugs and sockets, ( there are protecting covers for children) , all are internal and not easily accessible.

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"in principle the neutral should be at ground potential" Not necessarily! However there are many advantages of neutral grounding. –  user1355 Oct 7 '11 at 8:43
In normal operation the "neutral" should be within a few volts of ground. But, for safty sake, don't count on it. In an abnormal situation, say a short in the transformer, or somewhere else in the system, it could potentially become live. Thats why the standard is becoming the three prong plug, (live/neutral/ground), the later can be connected to say a tools outer casing, to insure that a short cannot electrify the casing. Using the neutral for such a purpose is not guaranteed. –  Omega Centauri Oct 7 '11 at 16:04
but don't u think that if the live is known a priory, then putting a switch on live is way better than a switch on neutral. –  Vineet Menon Oct 7 '11 at 18:01
@Vineet I do not think it makes a difference, since a break in a circuit is a break of current going through. One might consider a switch on the live to be safer, i.e. power would not be reaching the appliance unless switched, so short circuits from damage might be avoided. I think the Swiss have a three prong system that has only one way of plugging in, there one could on purpose position the switch on the live before delivering power, but I do not know whether it is done. –  anna v Oct 7 '11 at 18:42