# Flight time Toronto to Moscow the same [duplicate]

I have a question. How come that the flight from Toronto to Moscow takes the same time as the flight from Moscow to Toronto. Should it take much longer because of the earth rotation?

One direction we travel in direction or an orbit and traveling back we are going against the Earth orbit...

From Toronto 9hours From Moscow 9:45 hours.

If flying from Moscow we are traveling against the Earth rotation so we should add half of the travel to our current travel. It means that the travel from Moscow should take about 13 hours...

Thanks,

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## marked as duplicate by DavePhD, Kyle Kanos, John Rennie, Brandon Enright, David Z♦May 12 '14 at 17:09

Are you sure it takes the same time? It takes me an extra hour to fly home from the US, for example (to Europe). And your reasoning is exactly why, if I am not mistaken. – Flint72 May 12 '14 at 12:29
from Moscow to Toronto it takes 45min longer because of the wind flow but if the speed of the airplane is constant and add the speed of earth rotation, it should take much longer. I guess 13 hours – SamotnyPocitac May 12 '14 at 12:32

Your issue is about moving within a moving referential. To understand it well, let us first consider a Galilean referential: assume you live on a flat infinite plane, which is travelling at a constant speed along a horizontal direction. Does it take you more energy to move along with the movement of the plane or in the other way? No, just as walking to the front or rear of a train going at constant speed. It would if you had some contact with the exterior of the train, e.g. the air.

Now your referential at the surface of Earth is not in translation but in rotation, and that's the origin of Coriolis force, but that is only a correction to the movement in the referential, which works the same as above.

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The reason flights take a different amount of time, depending on the direction is prevailing winds, not the earths rotation. This is because the atmosphere rotates with the earth, and the plane has a constant airspeed traveling both ways. However due to the coriolis effect the prevailing winds have a constant eastwards or westwards direction (as explained in this wikipedia article), making the ground speed (airspeed + wind speed) different in both directions.

The effect the earth's daily rotation is on the weight of the airplane due to the centrifugal force (which exists in our frame of reference). This effect is very small and doesn't impact the speed of flight

Ok, back to Toronto-Moscow. As you can see in this map the flight path goes northwards over greenland and closer then normally to the north pole. Image source

This means that the prevailing winds blow more perpendicularly (east or west) to the planes movements, thus having a smaller impact on the flight duration.

To test this theory I looked up flights between Moscow and Dubai, as they are almost perfectly north/south of each other. And the flight time difference is only 10 mins! Showing thats flights going north or south have a lower difference then those going east/west

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Right. If you've ever use a flight simulator to re-create a flight like that, you realize the winds aloft can be quite strong. 70 nautical miles per hour is typical. – Mike Dunlavey May 12 '14 at 12:59